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[quigonejinn]

- AIN'T NOTHING LIKE THE SMELL OF DUMB ON PUSSY MIXED WITH BETRAYAL IN THE MORNIN' :D

- Look! It's a Bamber character that I can like without feeling vaguely ill about hordes of stupid fangirls! Yes, I know that there are a lot of wanktastic jackass morons in the BSG fandom, but really, aww, lookit his emo! Lookit his daddy issues! I got all sniffly when Daddy E broke down and started yelling for his last remaining boy and <3. He is so practical in this.

Plus, I'm digging the roided out, dark-haired Bamber. Yes, I do like Archie, but after reading 29384029348 terrible fics about his flaxen-haired beauty and sapphire orbs, I'm pretty much 128% down with the fact that I can enjoy Bamber without any fandom >:|

- PS: Lee is totally banging Madam President. There's no way they're not. They totally get it on in an empty hangar bay or even that black leather chair in the lounge or whatever? COME ON. Lee sticks his head under her skirt, gives her head, and afterwards, she calls him her little baby and makes him feel less lonely. YOU KNOW IT'S HAPPENING.

- And the Secretary of Education shall inheirit the universe.

- PS: LEE IS SO TOTALLY BANGING MADAM PRESIDENT.

- The burial scene made goosebumps prickle on my arms.

- Leaving the dude on the planet = cool, badass, and totally fucking awesome. Madame President = REALLY FUCKING AWESOME. The badass evil toughmindedness of the writers? TRULY. MOTHERFUCKING. AWESOME. When they leave the ships that can't make the FTL jump? OMG. OMG. OMG. The flashes of light through the aboretum view, that slow gong music, even that cliche'd bit with the little girl. This show cranks up the pain and pressure and OMG.

- I love the speech between Crazypants Cylon and Olmos in the pipes room. Man. The idea of God giving souls to machines because he realized he didn't get it right with humanity? The idea of machines have a real, honest-to-God theology GOOD SHIT.

- I approve of the sassy, tempermental little AZN chick getting her engineer. :>

- PSS: LEE IS SO TOTALLY BANGING MADAM PRESIDENT.

In short, I love the miniseries for Battlestar Galactica. It is tough-minded and crazy and horrifyingly practical. It takes paranoia to an art form, and man, I love Jamie Bamber's character because he is tough-minded and crazy and has daddy issues like you would not believe.

Comments

[neotoma.livejournal.com]

While I don't agree with you re: Lee and President Roslin, I totally share your love about how evil/toughminded the writers are. And the score *so* works.

You will love the 1st season when you get to see the rest of it. The problems are real, they lose people like woah!, and the Cylon theology is the most amazing thing ever (and the Colonials' polytheism is much better developed afer the miniseries).

Also, seeing the actors who play Cylons in other context is kind of weird now, because you keep wonder what they're there to *do* as sleeper agents...

PS There was a lovely Qui-Gon vid linked on jedi_news on Saturday. Have you seen it?

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Ahah. I'm kind of biased, I think, because I've only seen the miniseries. I'm told that things change a bit, and yeah. Now that Lee is no longer quite so flailing in the lost land of my daddy don't love me, the need thing isn't quite so crazy? And yeah.

I'm so in love with the religious/philosophical elements of this show.

And yes, I did see the Qui-Gon vid if it's, like, the one with Qui-Gon and Anakin and Obi-Wan all together? Good stuff, man. Good stuff.

[neotoma.livejournal.com]

Uhm, no, he still has Daddy Issues -- that is one fuxxored relationship there, which I like.

Oh, the religious aspects are so weird and wonderful. Especially with the Cylons being the loopy radical monotheists. The Colonists and their polytheism leads to some very nifty ideas, too.

The vid is the one which uses a Lion King 2 song -- and works!

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Ahah. Yeah, I wasn't trying ot say that he didn't have them anymore. They're just no longer quite as ginormously obvious -- at least so far? But maybe that' sbecause they were concentrating on the whole Starbuck/Drunk XO thing. And the fighting thing. And LET'S GO TO EARTH THING.

I am afire with curiosity now, man, and VALIANTLY resisting the urge to go spoil myself sick.

[bell]

I've been catching episodes now and then on tv, and what IS it about the female characters that makes them sex on feet? The men don't have this magical effect, it's only the women. Is it only me?! D:

Is Lee the old guy with dark hair and leathery skin who's always with her? Then, yeah, they are very much intimate. *coughs*

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

*dies* I suspect it's not you. And really, I think it's that the women in this show are hard and tough and really, really, really stand out from the chicks of most TV. It's just great shit, man. It just really is.

And Lee is the skinny little dude with dark hair? Who is the leathery-skin dude's son? Yeah. And stuff.

[bell]

Noooo not with the son. *refuses, denies, puts up websites declaring that to say President/Lee exists is pure pathetic dellusion*

I think it's something with the way the women hold themselves-- so firm and tall. :X One time I met a female astronaut and she walked like the women on the show do, and she had pretty much the same effect on me. In short: more women ought to get astronaut training?!

[randomalia.livejournal.com]

I've not seen this, though I have a friend who likes it a lot. You know why I think I can actually write fic and enjoy a lot of characters in the Hornblower fandom? I don't read any fic. Just yours, and a miscellaneous piece here and there. Fic can spell doom for characters and fandoms.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

The miniseries is solid, man. Solid, solid, solid. There are some obvious nods to fanboyism, but man.

And ahahha. :| I am all flattered and big-headed now, and yes. Fandom. It really kind of ruins things. It's relaly hard for me to enjoy some of the early HH episodes now because I'm either being irritated at myself for being like :D NO LIFE SAVING SPANISH :D or feeling guilty for, uh. Yeah. Enjoying the fact that there is no life-saving Spanish.

*hopes the exam-grading is going well, is quietly working her way around to Supernatural*

[randomalia.livejournal.com]

The Duchess and Devil ep is pretty much a curse, however much I love it like the plebetastic fangirl I am. Movie that launched a thousand bad fics or something. I pulled back from searching out HH fic because of the fact either people wrote Archiekins-fic or hated him, and I couldn't find anything that had the actual character that I thought was on-screen. *eats some cheese with her whine* You are a joy to have on my flist, because you write tough, complex men that I recognise.

I'm not sure you will like Supernatural. :> The episode-level writing is not solid. Although it is a very masculine show. It's pretty much a western with a muscle car instead of horses, including the fact that whatever town they're riding into and out of each week just about don't matter, you know? Whatever keeps me glued to the screen is in, and with, the two central characters instead. *rambles at you*

I read an interview with Bamber a while ago where he said he doesn't like prosthetic aliens, etc, but he chose to do BSG because it was actually about humanity.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

My current feeling about D&D is pretty much entirely built out of fandom-induced revulsion -- I think I told you that, like, the first HH fic that ever popped into my head was one about post-Ferrol? It was Archie trying to piece together in his head why he follows Hornblower back to the prison where so many terrible things happened to him. And yeah. It's just hard writing Archie. I've been trying again to write that fic about D&D never happening, where Archie just stays in the prison until Amiens, but it's not working.

And I'm not too worried about the individual quality of SPN XD I used to be an X-Files fan back in the day, and yeah. I caught a little of the show the other day, and it was a little hard to watch because the actors look so American?

But I'll be fine. And I need something to watch that doesn't poke holes in my heart.

[randomalia.livejournal.com]

Yeah, he is hard to write. I find Bush easier to access somehow, maybe because the things he wants and likes are more simple. Not simplistic, though. So I need to try and simplify Kennedy a bit in my head, and I think that might help. I'm pretty much pretending that most of the fandom doesn't exist, too. XD

*wanks ALL OVER YOUR CHARACTER AND WRITING*

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure Kennedy -- your Kennedy and the Kennedy in the books, the only Kennedy worth writing about -- is all that simplifiable. He's pretty much all about conflicts and contradictions and so forth. Man who loves theater and art and books, man who loves the Navy in all of her fearsome, bloody glory, and so on. Whenever I read your fic about him, I always get this sense of the back-and-forth pull.

Like in the first one, the one about him and the lake in Scotland. On the one hand, it's about him asserting control and taking himself away to a safe place, and on the other and at the very same time, it's about him losing control in the deepest way possible -- losing control over his memories.

That sort of contradiction is what I love the most about him, really.

Re: *wanks ALL OVER YOUR CHARACTER AND WRITING*

[randomalia.livejournal.com]

See, you're so incsive with characters. It's wonderful. I think the contradictions thing is a really great point. People see all the ways he can be refined and think that he can't also be ruthless and stupid and tough. As if he didn't get covered in blood and crow about killing men in the very first episode.

If I set out to focus on the contradictions and try to write it, however, I think I would tie myself up in knots and miss the mark. *muses*

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Would it help to figure out just the way that you'd instinctively respond in that scene? And then check it for being properly contradictory, etc? Because you've got such a grasp of Kennedy. I know that writing is a very involved, thinking process for you, but you write him so richly and believably, and you've done so much thinking about him.

And you've mentioned that you identify a bit with Kennedy, and that general method is the way that I handle both Hornblower and Qui-Gon, who I, er. Yes. Captain Crazypants Longhair Jedi here.

[randomalia.livejournal.com]

Ahaha, you need a metre-long nametag for that one. XD And yeah, that's a really good suggestion. I hadn't thought of that before. I do try to write behaviour/responses that just seem right for the character, but yours seems like a more direct approach.

[nolivingman.livejournal.com]

Madam President rocks. You would be unsurprised by the rash of Laura/Lee fanfic after the mini and through S1.

Ron Moore - who exec produces - is a Hornblower fan. Every so often the characters - especially Lee - will say or do something that is so Hornblower it blows my mind.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

!!!!!!!! See, I know Ron Moore from Star Trek: Deep Space 9, and I was bobbing my head ot little bits and pieces of things that're familiar from that series -- the polytheistic race, the experience of being conquered, the compllicated relationship between the Adamas and the lingering backstory of the dead family members, etc. But man!

Now I'm going to be excitedly watching for the HH bits. :D

[nolivingman.livejournal.com]

In the time between me commenting initially and now, I remembered seeing something somewhere in the past about how Ron Moore's favorite book was one of the Hornblowers and I just googled and found where he said his favorite book is Hotspur! I have some serious problems with BSG in S2, but I do love that RDM is with us on the joy of Hotspur.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/442/442760p1.html

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy fuck! He also did the first season of Carnivale? And he likes Dragonriders of Pern? And Hotspur is his favorite book? Clearly, this man is what I would be if I were a badass exec producer OMFG.

Hotspur is warm comfort soul food. <3 It really is.

[nolivingman.livejournal.com]

Remember though, that he was also exec producer of Roswell. He can't be let off the hook for that one.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Ahaha. Well, um. He said it went somewhere that he didn't want it to go? XD I've never really seen the show, alas.

[lamis-p.livejournal.com]

I love Lee Adama in the mini and S1. He is fantastic. I love the hair, I love the American accent, and I love that he is all shitty with major daddy issues. Plus: Lee and Laura = hot pants love.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Lee's daddy issues make me weep with delight. Him and his family, man. It's just one giant happy <3fest.

[damned-colonial.livejournal.com]

What do you mean no fangirls? BSG fandom is batshit crazy compared to Hornblower fandom, and I stay the hell away from it.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

As in I haven't had to deal with them yet. No clouds of rage make me fall over gasping every time I think about Bamber's charac.ter :D

[damned-colonial.livejournal.com]

My main worry about Lee is that I think his biceps might pop.

[kickthebeat.livejournal.com]

best beloved, you know you are more dear to me than any other but i don't know whether i am amazed or horrified.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Light of my life, I don't know what's so horrifying about this to you. Is it the Lee/Laura? because I'm really not backing down from that, as weird, weird, weird as it may be. There are entirely too many portentous, heavy looks passing between them.

also, next up, supernatural? really? REALLY? oh, honey.

[kickthebeat.livejournal.com]

hsjkas yes, it's the lee/laura, but not for reasons you might think: i tend to think lee acts like a little girl who's constantly fourty seconds away from running off in tears, so, well. having sex with the president makes perfect sense. oh, lee adama.

also, god, roslin. that woman makes me fucking crazy.

possibly. :D

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

AHAHAHA. Man, though. I love that bit where he's leading the passenger ship away from the convoy so they can do the FTL jump? And the calls are coming in from all the people in the non-FTLs and they're just going hysterical and he's just SITTING there with that spine made out of steel? He's so badass there, and yes, he acts real emo other times, particularly when it comes to his family, but man. At that moment, he won the badass award.

Plus, Madam President was having a little breakdown in the back.

GOTTA LOVE IT.

Also, me being me, I've started thinking about how fascinating Adama brothercest would be. :D

Re: possibly. :D

[damned-colonial.livejournal.com]

You know one of them is DEAD right? Necrophiliac incest, GREAT.

Re: possibly. :D

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

AHAHA. YES. I DID CATCH THAT RATHER MAJOR THREAD OF THE STORY. MMM. BONING THE BONES!

(Actually, I was thinking either back in the day or Lee getting off to thinking about his brother. Because there's just something fascinating to me about the intensity of his fixation.)

Re: possibly. :D

[kickthebeat.livejournal.com]

pre-series, i'm assuming she means, and well. WELL. worst things have been written than gay dead brothersex.

pains me.

[kickthebeat.livejournal.com]

lee/zak? I AM THERE. YES. otherwise, god, WEEPING LITTLE BABY. acts of badassery in the mini aside ... just, just wait for it. the conversations i have had about the depths of his man-pain are many.

damnit, now i want to watch the mini again. :D it's been a while. and by while, i mean three months, at the most.

Re: pains me.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Yes. I can see how Roslin would be totally fucking annoying, but what I am really, really, really digging about the Lee/Zak pairing is just how emotionally fucked up it is.

Lee is the one with teh skillz. He's the pilot, the one who's made for the military in a family that's all about the military, but in his head (and to some degree, in reality, too), it's all about Zak, who failed out of pilot school. And you get the sense that Lee is OK with this. There's no jealousy there; he doesn't resent that it's STILL all about Zak, that he's actually making it all about Zak.

It just makes me happy. It reminds me of McManuscest except EVEN MORE FUCKED UP, and the fact that Lee so totally wants to bone his brother's woman? It's Biblical, man.

Re: pains me.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Darling blonde, only blonde who I would ever consider letting in my bed -- I see you friended this LJ today. I cannot promise much Battlestar Galactica talk at all, though I will write you this short little thing that has been kicking around in my head all day.

The military is in Lee Adama's blood. Ten years of being raised by his mother on Caprica couldn't wipe it out of him, and as a result, these are the rules:

1. Zak is always the good guy.
2. It's usually summertime.
3. Everybody is sober.
4. Kara does not come into it. In fact, no thinking about this when he's actually with somebody, not ever.

These are, indeed, the rules that Lee follows when he gets off while thinking about his brother. Half the time, he drifts into having his hand on his cock without even being aware of it, and since he can't stop himself from doing it, these are the rules he follows to keep himself from getting completely wrecked. Zak is the good guy. It's summertime, a good, clean, wholesome Caprica summer. His mother has had enough influence on him so that he'd feel a little bad about messing around with his little brother if the brother were drunk, and Kara is as strictly off limits in the fantasies as she is normally.

Everything else is up for grabs, though. How he fucks Zak. Whether it's indoors or outdoors. Whether it even gets to the fucking stage because sometimes, it's just imagining what it would feel like to have Zak's shoulder under his teeth, under his hands. Pushing Zak, maybe, down into the ground. Getting a blowjob from Zak against the wall in the back.

Sometimes, just imagining putting his hand on Zak's head while he gets that blowjob is enough to get him off. It depends on how long it's been since the last time he did this, how much he's been thinking about Zak, whether there have been any little things that have reminded him of Zak recently -- the dreams, Lee will swear up and down, didn't start until Zak was dead, and the unspoken, unbreakable rule is, as always, that Adama, Sr., Commander, Husker, never comes into the picture.

Re: pains me.

[kickthebeat.livejournal.com]

i friended it because i missed your writing, gf, even when it's about crusty sailors i don't know a thing about. but this, well, fuck, BROTHERS. you always knew how to give it to me the way i like it, baby.

however, I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU SPOILT YOURSELF FOR THE SERIES WITH WIKI, JESUS. also, i was positive lee was not canonically married; there was some .... god. NOW I AM GOING TO WATCH THAT EP AGAIN AND SERIOUSLY, IT WAS BAD.

Re: pains me.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

AHAHAH. It's at the end, apparently? Implied. He was engaged to Gianne, but when he's off on the ship with Anastasia and Kara calls, Anastasia starts touching her ring finger or something? I don't know.

Re: possibly. :D

[nolivingman.livejournal.com]

A friend of mine wrote Lee/Zak (http://romanticalgirl.livejournal.com/274916.html), so you're not the only one who sees the potential. I've developed this thing (based on nothing in the show, btw, so it's not a spoiler) where I am convinced that Zak is going to show up as a Cylon. I want that to happen; I feel that the angst and pain of it would be insanely good.

Re: possibly. :D

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

*adds to bookmarks* Thanks for the link, yo.

And oh my GOD. I just went to Wiki and spoiled myself silly for the rest of the series, and ahaha. I'm going to be calling Lee "Horatio Adama," yo. Banging your first officer who used to be very much involved in inter-ship communications? Having a wife who dies pregnant while you're off on your military job? Substitute children?

AHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHA HOLY FUCK *IS JUST ON THE FLOOR* I LOVE YOU RON MOORE. I LOVE YOU LIKE WHOAMG.

[plasticity.livejournal.com]

I saw an icon a few weeks ago from BSG (which I've never watched but for which I have heard nothing but praise) and didn't know The Bamber was in it; I did a double-take and was like, "why is Archie ripped...?" if it's as good a show as you say I def. will have to scout around and check it out. I don't love all scifi/fantasy, but when the scifi is a vehicle for character/emotional exploration? solid gold, I'm hooked. and with as much latent DS9 love as I have lurking in my past, there's a strong possibility of me loving it. have you a clue where to find a copy, perchance?

also I have finally settled down from recent life turbulence and have begun reading Hotspur, and am remembering the initial rush of affection I felt for the books when I read Lt HB months ago. they're just so fun, but rich at the same time. of course now I'm reading them specifically looking for HH/WB interaction. I blame you.

also also I cannot stop listening to Rabbit Songs.