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The daydream that plagued Kennedy had to do with being ashore: however, it was not the one about being home again, nor was it the one about blowing the side of Sawyer's head in with a pistol the moment that the Renown paid off.

Instead, it was very much about the fact that Horatio liked the new second lieutenant. Bush's support of Sawyer did not bother Horatio as much as it should have. There had been occaisions, in fact, when Archie had come into the wardroom after being on watch and found Horatio and Bush sitting at the table, talking. Pipe smoke from Bush had made the air thick, as they would have been been talking for a while, either discussing some point of navigation -- in which case Horatio would be the one talking, and there would be a map between them -- or it would have to do with some aspect of seamanship.

In that, latter case, Bush would be giving an account of when a ship he had been in had performed that maneuver. Once, he had been presenting the fine points of shifting three twenty-four pounders at sea in rough weather; another time, he had been discussing rough weather itself. Usually, he would be sitting very close to Horatio. Frequently, they would sit on the same bench, and Bush would demonstrate things with his hands. When Horatio modeled them with his own and made a mistake, Bush would grasp Horatio's fingers and arrange them or move the hand so that it was correct. The angle of the wrist, for example, or the spread of the fingers. Sometimes, he would hold onto Horatio's hand even after the correction had been made. Horatio would let him hold it, and they would sit there, talking, until Archie came in -- somehow, it was worse that Horatio would make a point of cutting that conversation off when Kennedy entered.

After all, Horatio would turn the conversation literature or art or politics, to things things that Bush could not model with his hands. Horatio would stand while Archie put his greatcoat and hat away.

Bush would let go of Horatio's hand. He would nod to Kennedy, slip back into a corner and return to smoking his pipe and looking at nothing in particular with his arms crossed over his chest. Horatio gave every evidence of being as happy to see Archie as he had been to talk to Bush. He would gesture sometimes with his hands, spread his fingers or angle his wrist in a certain way, and this, perhaps, was why Kennedy's daydreams so much in the way of hands.

A low, dark tavern room. On occaision, Horatio could be persuaded into spending his money at more expensive places, but as an old sea dog, Bush would have suggested this as a drinking place, and Horatio would have gone along. By a gesture of the hands, Bush would suggest that the three of them would go upstairs to a room, and together, they would go up the stairs. From seeing Bush at the quarterdeck rail, Kennedy could imagine what Bush's hands might look like on the walls up to the second floor. Perhaps he would put his hand near Horatio's back as the three of them went up together. Perhaps he would even put his hand directly on Horatio.

A lower, darker private room. Archie would find himself a chair; Bush would lock the door, and Horatio would bend down to kiss Bush. Later, after they had both taken off their clothes, Bush would turn Horatio around so that Kennedy could see them -- Archie had seen enough to know what Horatio would look like in that state, but the hand that Bush put along Hornblower's stomach would be new. So, too, the fingers along Horatio's hip, then the hand wrapped around his cock, slow and steady until Horatio had dropped his head back and was actively pressing himself against Bush. Moving himself up and down, his own hand wrapped around Bush's.

The bed would follow.

There were other daydreams, of course -- life at sea was vivid enough that Archie rarely thought of either Simpson or the Spanish prison anymore. Nevertheless, in addition to the usual dreams of women and fresh food and good beds, there were daydreams of his supper turning to a flock of sparrows and flying away under his fingers. In the morning, Archie thought he saw the faces in the morning fog. At night, there were moments when he wondered what it would be like to leap from the mizzenmast. Sawyer was a worry. A terror and a pressure.

Nevertheless, the most persistent of his daydreams came from the sight of Horatio playing the brilliant boy and explaining to Bush. Of Bush playing the wise man and explaining to the attentive boy.

There was the image of Horatio face-down on a bed, underneath Bush, giving voice to pain and lust. The way, at first, Horatio would hold himself still, as he always did on the verge of a great feeling until he gave himself over to it, and how he did give way to it in the end -- a shiver, a gasp, followed by wholehearted passion. Perhaps it would be caused by Bush kissing the back of his neck; perhaps it would be Bush putting a finger in him. Archie had only ever given Horatio the occaisional helping hand and received a helping hand in turn. They had never even kissed, and yet, he could imagine very clearly how Bush might position Horatio's hands, shoulders, and hips so that the two of them might spend a long time in that bed together.

Above all, the daydreams came from Archie's suspicion of what it was that men and boys might do together even if he were there. It was a deep-rooted fear, and in the end, it had very little to do with anything that Kennedy had experience of from his life as a happy, well-loved boy ashore.

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Date: 2006-08-09 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jiaryn.livejournal.com
ImageFantastic as usual!

I love the imagery with the hands!!

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Date: 2006-08-10 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Hands! Hands! CSF has this total fixation, man, and it's a shame that it doesn't carry over into the movies because both Gruffudd and McGann have lovely hands. :D

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Date: 2006-08-09 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xchelsynessx.livejournal.com
That was wonderful.
And what's with these pictures, hm? Don't keep me on tenderhooks. =D

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Date: 2006-08-10 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Glad you liked it. Wee middies! *tickles Wellard*

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Date: 2006-08-09 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iansmomesq.livejournal.com
That's the way to do it. Happy to have provided inspiration. *G*

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Date: 2006-08-10 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. How do I love thee, [livejournal.com profile] iansmomesq? Let me count the many, many, many ways.

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Date: 2006-08-10 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolivingman.livejournal.com
Archie has some wicked daydreams. *loves*

I really really liked the last paragraph.

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Date: 2006-08-10 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
I could do without the crazy ones, yeah, but I could totally do with the porn-o-vision. :D

That icon makes me laugh everytime I see it. Oh, Bamber. :D

*gleegleeglee*

Date: 2006-08-10 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomalia.livejournal.com
OMG OMG OMG. That's so Kennedy, and so exactly what I have been wanting, and you're amazing.

There's so many things in this that just nail the characters and the dynamics. You said you can't write Kennedy and yet he's right there in this fic. I love the way Hornblower and Bush talk, and how Hornblower will turn the conversation to things Kennedy likes when he comes in. Also the non-sentimentality to Kennedy is awesome. He's aware and perceptive but not soft at all.

And especially this gorgeous bit of writing: Nevertheless, in addition to the usual dreams of women and fresh food and good beds, there were daydreams of his supper turning to a flock of sparrows and flying away under his fingers. In the morning, Archie thought he saw the faces in the morning fog. At night, there were moments when he wondered what it would be like to leap from the mizzenmast. Sawyer was a worry. A terror and a pressure.

Re: *gleegleeglee*

Date: 2006-08-12 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Ahaha. You are too kind to me, my friend. Entirely too kind. I'm glad that the muddled-ness of the writing didn't get in the way of the Kennedy characterization -- whenever I write him, I always feel like I'm kind of flailing through the job because instead of having this grasp of him from the ground up, as you do, I figure out that Kennedy has __________ as a characteristic and just write somebody, anybody, with _________ as a characteristic.

It's wretched hard learning how to do a character, OMG. And you always make it look so effortless.

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Date: 2006-08-10 12:16 am (UTC)
ext_8683: (Bush/Hornblower protective arm)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
I could make a huge list of the things I love in this fic. Huge list.

Just the closeness between HH & WB, and how HH is solicitous to AK by changing the subject away from seamanship sort of things to literature and stuff. And Bush goes off to sit and smoke, cause he ain't got nothing to say 'bout that stuff. XD

The HAND HOLDING. The PIPE SMOKING. omg.

And this:Nevertheless, the most persistent of his daydreams came from the sight of Horatio playing the brilliant boy and explaining to Bush. Of Bush playing the wise man and explaining to the attentive boy.

Like a father to a son. <33333333333333333333333333333

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Date: 2006-08-12 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Like a father to a son. Except, you know. With more handjobs. And naked deck showers. XD It almost makes me feel like a decent human being for writing the first fic in this fandom EVER to require an incest warning.

*packs off to reread Das's fic some more OMFG*

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Date: 2006-08-13 01:06 am (UTC)
ext_8683: (Bush/Hornblower heads down)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
It's impossible to read that fic too many times. omg.

And this one too.

*inhales the pipe smoke*
From: [identity profile] lamis-p.livejournal.com
<3

I’m a total daydreamer and I love that Archie swaps things around, changes them to fit.

there were daydreams of his supper turning to a flock of sparrows and flying away under his fingers -- Oh Archie.

That image of Bush sitting in the corner, smoking his pipe, looking at nothing in particular is just so fantastically Bush.
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Ahaha. I've been thinking a lot about how to meld book Bush and movie Bush these days. Neither Book nor Movie Bush are never shown smoking a pipe, but Book Bush specifically from a place that was one of the major clay pipe manufacturers in southern England, and. Yeah.

*dorks out, is glad that you put up with her*
From: [identity profile] lamis-p.livejournal.com
Bush sitting in a corner, arms crossed, smoking a pipe: I can see it. This bush is like PMG but bigger, more bear like. And God, the pipe works, it’s like it ages him, differentiates him and firmly puts him in a class (I know nothing about pipe usage at the time but in a modern sense).

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Date: 2006-08-10 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phantomsangel.livejournal.com
Ahhhh, poor Archie. I pity him in this fic, and yet you don't really write him with a sense of pity or anything. I just love him and I love Bush and his usual bad-assness (pipe smoking in a corner! hand holding!) and I love Kennedy and his dreams and everything.

I think I'm a little drunk right now if you couldn't tell?

Either way? LOVE.

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Date: 2006-08-12 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
*DIES, LOVES YOUR DRUNKENESS*

I'm trying to expand my repertoire in HH a little, and really. I know nothing about how to write Kennedy, so I'm glad that he comes off as developed as Bush, who wil always be my true fandom love.

<3333333 you

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Date: 2006-08-10 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lostmyfish.livejournal.com
Ooooh, [livejournal.com profile] randomalia recced and I followed, and I'm so glad I did.

This feedback is incoherent and ultimately useless, but I loved all the detail (the hand!sex), and the way everything's amplified from Archie's point of view. Well, I loved all of it, really.

Thanks for posting.

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Date: 2006-08-12 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Thank you for the comment, actually, and I'm glad the recc worked out for you. [livejournal.com profile] randomalia is entirely nicer to me than I deserve.

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Date: 2006-08-12 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
Oh, man, I love this. Such a good thought-piece on the way the characters might and do interact. Plus a million bonus points for the hands - pretty much my favorite CSF line ever is Bush admiring Hornblower's hands, so I love the way it was reverse-echoed here.

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Date: 2006-08-12 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
That's such a classic, amazing line. And really, who the hell can think of HH and WB as being purely platonic after that? :DDD

Thanks for reading, yo. :D

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Date: 2006-08-12 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
I still wonder how Forester could see them as platonic - I mean, don't get me wrong, it was the 40's/50's, cultural understanding of male friendship was very different then, etc. etc. - but homosexuality wasn't exactly unknown (or for a few celebrities, entirely under the radar), either, and come on. "Having Bush around is better than having a wife"? That's platonic only if we're claiming that Hornblower is asexual. Which he isn't, canonically. And fannishly, certainly not, the way he keeps staring at all those buff sailors. :D

*had no idea you even liked Hornblower omg*

Date: 2006-08-12 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
There's a Yahoogroups e-mail list where Forester's son posts occaisionally, and apparently, he's said on there that his father intended for there to be homosexual subtext in the books.

To which the slasher response is: what do you mean subtext?

What, really?

Date: 2006-08-12 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
Wait, really? That would be fascinating to read about - I mean, I sooooort of suspected that it might be possible (his life, while not exactly deviant, has a little wrinkle of ... weirdness in it, even just reading the Wikipedia entry), but I was never quite sure if my theorizing had any basis in lit crit theory or my own slashy fantasies. What group is this? I might sign up and look around in the archives.

And yes, it is. XD

Re: What, really?

Date: 2006-08-13 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
I don't remember the name of the list off the top of my head, and [livejournal.com profile] black_hound has done some digging for it without success, but she has an account of the posting from a v. solid source. So, you know? And I really don't care too much in the end, because there is nothing on God's green earth that can persuade me that a writer as sneaky and percepting and smart as CSF didn't intend all that gay.

Because Jesus. As somebody pointed out a while back, the stuff about HH pouring water over his head? And the deck shower? It's pure genre romance.

Re: What, really?

Date: 2006-08-13 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
Sounds good to me! I was just anal curious. I'm glad to hear it, actually, because it does add a lot of intelligence and nuance to his writing - not that many published authors are that good with their own subtext XD.

Oh, it so very much is.

Re: What, really?

Date: 2006-08-13 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
It's fascinating stuff with CSF -- the giveaways in the names of ships, for example, like Atropos and Lydia, the connection between the Temeraire and Bush, the visual imagery about hands with Bush, Hornblower, Maria, Barbara and Marie, etc. He suposedly wrote the books without pre-drafts, so I'm just fascinated by the question of how much of these linkups are intentional, and how much is the result of the same person writing all of these books.

Somebody needs to put out an annotated version of the books. XD

Re: What, really?

Date: 2006-08-13 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
My personal dream is that zombie Forester finishes Hornblower and the Crisis, but I know I'm outta luck, there.

Re: What, really?

Date: 2006-08-14 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Reaaallly? I've never bumped into somebody who was such a big fan of Crisis. :> Why do you love it so much?

Re: What, really?

Date: 2006-08-14 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
Well, I'm not sure "fan" is an accurate term, since there are only, what - 70 pages? I would have loved to see more of it because:

a) actual aftermath of Horatio and Mary;
b) 19th century spies;
c) I love it when Horatio gets himself caught up in that, "This isn't honorable for a gentleman ... but it would be dishonorable for me not to help out every way I can go OH GOD!" quandary.

*pets Horry's shiny epaulette*

Date: 2006-08-14 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Horatio and Mary? I think my brain has just gone porous with summer vacation, but I also didn't pay too close attention to Crisis after Bush dropped out. (Jealous fits! The Hotspur, OMG! Bush loyal to the boyfriend OMG!)

There's this total crack Elseworlds kind of thing about HH really being a fulltime spy and Bush being his, er, muscleman. Because really, HH would be so good at it if he wanted to be.

Re: *pets Horry's shiny epaulette*

Date: 2006-08-14 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
Sorry, I had a brainfart. Crisis comes BEFORE Atropos, not after. But anyway.

Wait, is this an extant piece of work, fan or otherwise? Because YES, it would fit beautifully. Horatio is really far too ends-justify-means (however much he beats himself up over it, which is what keeps his moral code in check) to be a true "perfect Naval officer" to the core - he's sneaky. And Bush could watch his back and make him eat his dinner.

I always wonder what would have happened to Horatio if he hadn't gotten his "lucky" break with Keene ... I've always gotten the impression that he really wanted to go on to university and was probably thwarted by lack of funds. Also, there was that fanfic I never wrote where he was a runaway wizard boy, because, well, look at that name...

Re: *pets Horry's shiny epaulette*

Date: 2006-08-14 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Oh man. I have found a sister in crack.

The idea of HH as a runaway wizardboy, OMG. The name! The name! It really does explain that awful name, and it would explain some of those little mysteroius turns of luck. And you wouldn't even have problems with stuff about why he's a wizard and yet so possession-poor -- it's the Weasley thing working all over again, and ahaha. Believe me. This is the wrong path to get me started down. There is so much crack in the idea.

HH would love university so much. I mean, that's what the education his father was kind of aiming him for -- all that French and Latin? And the education that Hornblower later tries to give himself by reading about different lands and so forth? Man oh man. Words can't even descirbe how much I would love a story about Hornblower at Oxford.

(And uh. I'm a retard who's writing a modern-day university version of Hornblower at college. It'll never see the light of DAY because it's spiralling out of control in length. XD)

The spy thing is entirely my own crack creation, alas. I wish somebody would write it because, man. As you say. There's just something about Hornblower being sneaky -- all dressed up and pretending to be someone he's not, getting to have his cake and eat it too, in the sense that he's a player in international politics as well as a man of action. And of course, Bush, the loyal manservant/carriage driver/Q/supper feeder.

Re: *pets Horry's shiny epaulette*

Date: 2006-08-14 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
Actually, what I was thinking is that his family is all snooty purebloody with money, and the poor thing is because he's a runaway, who wanted to get away from that claptrap but still feels that, "I'm juuuust as good as theeeeeeem!" squirrellyness about the British aristocracy. Good lord, is he hypersensitive about issues of social status.

Motivation to run away? Magic is stupid, more or less. He's all about the math and the geography and the French declensions!

Re: *pets Horry's shiny epaulette*

Date: 2006-08-14 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Namor! *LOVES THE ICON*

So. This would be, like. A rewrite of the HH book sfrom the ground up? Or would you be focusing on the backstory and the family and so forth, and leading up to the moment when he steps abouard a ship for the first time?

Re: *pets Horry's shiny epaulette*

Date: 2006-08-14 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
Hah, my crack!bunnies never quite get that far. I kept getting derailed by what would happen if, say, Horatio's family found him and Captain Pellew's >:O reaction.

Because you know >:O would be the least of it.

Re: What, really?

Date: 2006-08-13 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
And yeah. I had no idea whatsoever, OMG.

Re: What, really?

Date: 2007-11-10 12:40 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I freaking LOVE you. Bring on the AK/HH/WB! In that order! And in DROVES!

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