quigonejinn: (hornblower - hmmmm horatio?)
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The C. Northcote Parkinson biog of Pellew is an absolute delight, for the record. Pellew is delightful, and Parkinson is delightful, and

Edward underwent some schooling at Penzance, and later at the grammar schol at Truro, under Mr. Conon. He can have learnt little beyond reading and writing, and such tales as there are of his schooldays do not uggest that he ever had any taste for books. He eventually ran away to avoid a flogging. One of his schoolfellows has left the following description of him as a schoolboy: 'Pellew was one of the most daring of Conon's boys. I confess I rather stood in awe of him; though with his high spirit he had a very kind heart. Pellew would never suffer the weak to be trampled upon, but would fight their battles totis viribus. But I think he once thrashed me.' The unfortunate biographer, comparing the meagreness of information about Pellew in the Rev. R. Polwhele's Reminicences with the amount he was clearly in a position to give, cannot suppress a deep regret that Pellew did not go further and kill him outright. Polwhele, a contentious divine and the author of an enormous number of prolix and rambling works in verse and prose, rather boasts than imparts his knowledge of ellew's early life. As the suitor, at one time, of Constantia, one of Edward's sisters, he must have known more about him than most of his contemporaries at Turro grammar school. But there is exasperatingly little to be gained from his works




The short and sum of it was that the family of Pellew is old and established in Cornwall, that Pellew's grandfather was rich for a while from a tobacco plantation in Maryland, but that by the 1721 (36 years before E's birth), the prosperity was gone. E's father didn't marry until he was forty, and as a result, he left beyond a widow and six kids, four boys and two girls. The eldest of the brat pack was eleven, so the mother re-married, the kids got farmed out to relatives, and E was brought up by his grandmother in a "cottage" as Parkinson puts it. There wasn't a lot of money, and what little there was went to getting E's older brother, Samuel, (E was #2, three years behind and eight years old when his father died) training as a surgeon.

However, the family was in good with the famous (Cornish) Navy family of the Boscawens AKA Earls of Falmouth, and Lord Falmouth gets third brother Eddie to get the boys into service. Our hero, at the age of 13 and a half, gets packed off a Captain's Servant to Old Dreadnaught's old bosun, Stott, now become captain. Adventures with fowl ensue.



The 18th-century English Navy was a profession open to talent, especially middle-class talent. Influence played its part, but the most important form of it was professional in character -- it was the influence of admirals rather than that of politicians. For rapid promotion it was probably better ot be the son of an admiral than the son of a duke. And this kind of nepotism often had excelltne results. But apart from being related to a flag-officer the best way to gain the benefit of influence was to deserve it. The most prevailing forms of influence were closely connected with merit. In war time, at least, lack of influence ashore never hindered any officer's promotion. Those men who remained midshipmen until they were grey-headed, or whose dotage found them in the rank of lieutenant, were not held back by lack of influence but by incomptence or drink. Influence could assist promotion but the lack of it could not hold back a man of real ability. Pellew had practically no influence in the Service, but he was in this respect mostly in the position of most of his brother officers. In so far as lack of influence could retard his rise in the ervice, it did; but his career well illustrates how soon a reputation for efficiency could overcome that difficulty. It would be a mistake to suppose that he started his naval career under peculiar difficulties of any kind. His social position was rather above than below the average. He was poor but only moderately so. He had little influence, but he was not altogether without it. The interest, in short, of his life is that he was typical of his profession in social origin, in education, and in character; typical of his century in his virtues and vices; superior to most of his contemporaries not by differing from them but by carrying their pecularia qualities to an extreme. His genius was not of an original sort. It was, rather, intensive. He didnot do the unexpected. But he did the obvious unexpecteldy well.

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Date: 2006-03-14 09:16 pm (UTC)
ext_8683: (WTF Bush)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
I mean the midshipmen had to pass an exam, and if you didn't know ANYTHING you weren't going to pass, so a theory of incompetence might be applicable there, although you could be a good practical sailor and not be good at tests, etc. AND THERE IS NO QUESTION that if you were the son of the Duke of Earl or whoever that your exam evaluation could EASILY be different from Joe Schmoe the blacksmith's son.

But the idea that a lack of influence couldn't hold an officer back? *makes a big long line of those Japanese emoticons too*

And HH does have Pellew as his de facto patron/mentor/whatever who has juice of his own on different levels.

Interestingly in Parkinson's fictional biography, "Life and Times of HH"? Here is what he says about influence and advancement when he talks about how Bush came to get his appointment as Flag-Captain.

The chief difficulty at the outset arose from Hornblower wanting to have Bush as Captain of the Nonsuch. It was pointed out to him that Bush had only just been promoted Commander and that his first command as Captain -- when he was made post -- would be a sloop not a ship of the line. The compromise reached in the end was for Hornblower to have the nominal command of the Nonsuch and for Bush to be posted as supernumerary with the rank of captain. This allowed Bush to command the ship -- except for the purpose of signing documents -- while creating much jealousy among other Commanders. Here was a one-legged man commanding a seventy-four who had never so much as commanded a frigate! There could be no more shameful example of partiality and interest. All that can be said in Hornblower's defence is that Bush justified his promotion, which might have come sooner had he not been Hornblower's follower.

When in fact we all KNOW it was because the Admiralty knew they had been dating since that night in the Long Rooms. XD

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Date: 2006-03-14 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_oggy_/
when i read that paragraph it irked me, but then when i thought about it, the "biographer" was kinda right, it is very strange that bush just gets to suddenly captain a 74, and not only command it under a commodore but gets to keep it afterwards. it works well for the storyline and you have to wonder if forester decided to not care about the real logistics of how naval commands are parcelled out.

i always thought that when they return from france bush was promoted to captain and got to skip commander (whic was possible, i think) because he was sent to the dockyard i think forest would have written "commander" since he would not have been referred to honorifically as "captain" since he wasn't on a ship (a fact forester was aware of), so i always thought he got right shoulder epulette rather than the left.

i forget who he was talking to about who he wanted his flag captain to be, but i love the line when HH requests bush and the guy says "we thought u'd say that."

i've chalked up bush's sudden jump from dock to 74 as a case of naval nepotism, but one the admiralty were okay with since they knew he was quality material, despite the missing foot.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-14 10:17 pm (UTC)
ext_8683: (Bush Sheerness)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
i always thought that when they return from france bush was promoted to captain and got to skip commander (whic was possible, i think) because he was sent to the dockyard

Absolutely. The positions of Resident Commissioner at the dockyards were positions for captains, not commanders. They were basically given as rewards for service and as a safe place to finish out a career.

i've chalked up bush's sudden jump from dock to 74 as a case of naval nepotism, but one the admiralty were okay with since they knew he was quality material, despite the missing foot.

Naval nepotism for sure. I mean, the navy in that era was more merit based than the army, where commissions were bought and sold without any consideration as to actual military experience, but it still wasn't an open system by any stretch. Let's face it, this is the 18th century where patronage and influence determined where you went in life with some exception.

And clearly they thought Bush was competent enough or they wouldn't have left him in charge of the Nonsuch for a full year on his own while HH was recovering from the typhus.

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Date: 2006-03-14 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
got to skip commander (whic was possible, i think)

Totally. In fact, because he's the sneakiest bitch in the world, CSF has Bush explicitly raise the possibility in the first few pages of LtH:
Every lieutenant could at least dream, even lieutenants like Bush with no imagination at all. Promotion was at least theoretically possible; from the caterpillar stage of lieutenant one might progress to the butterfly stage of captain, sometimes even without a chrysalis period as commander.

oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-14 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
When in fact we all KNOW it was because the Admiralty knew they had been dating since that night in the Long Rooms. XD

fdjdghdf clearly. Can you just imagine the Lords of the Admiralty sitting around after word about the Witch of Endor and the escape? "You think Hornblower's stopped fucking his first lieutenant yet? I heard he lost a leg, after all."

or

"What do you MEAN, it wouldn't be a good idea to call that stumpy-legged motherfucker Mrs. Hornblower on the deck of his own ship?"

And DAMMIT. Now I almost phyically need fic about Bush leading that Baltic squadron home. GODDMAN.

BookPellew doen't seem to pull plum promotions for HH quite as much as the movie version does, I don't think, but yeah, you're right. He does have the big squishy love in surplasage for HH, doesn't he? *ponders those goopy letters that Pellew sends him when he takes over command of the In-Shore*

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-14 11:19 pm (UTC)
ext_8683: (Pellew)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
One of my favorite Pellew involvements in when he sends Bush and the Nonsuch riding to the aid of his boyfriend HH.

That trip home from the Baltic and the decision Bush had to make to leave HH behind is so fertile for fic it doesn't even need fertilizer.

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-14 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Corn! As high as an elephant's eye, and all through the natural power of a one-legged captain wrestling those punk bitch commanders into submission and gjdkfj. Becaue I am a big sap (and also because I really can't imagine that the decision that HH was not fit for command could occur without this), I keep imagining Bush and at least one of the other commanders who'd lived through typhus going to see HH or whatever and.kjgl;kdjf.

I wonder how the Navy dealt with typhus.

And ahaha. God. The line that Hornblower uses to describe it -- something like, "Good old Pellew! He knew of the friendship that had long been between Bush and Hornblower. . . " It reduces me to helpless laughter and love of HH/WB every time I read it.

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 12:38 am (UTC)
ext_8683: (Bush standing at the rail)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
The business with Bush and the typhus. Jesus, I'd love to know the when, where and how of his having lived through it.

You know Bush went to see him with the typhus. HH was right there tending to Bush as best he could in FC after the amputation. I can't imagine Bush not doing the same for HH.

*is convinced there must have been a redux of the handholding and caressing*

And Bush HAD to be formidable as a captain. His physical size, those lungs of brass, that no shit attitude. All backed with the power of Parliament and the absolute authority it conferred. And I think the wooden leg makes him even more formidable. Because it signals 'one big tough motherfucker' to have lived through it and adapted to it.

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quietcontrary.livejournal.com
*dies at that image of Capn Bush*

Also - the typhus *flail* (haha I am flailing at the thought of a potentially fatal disease :B )

*is NEVER going to get any homework done, omg*

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_oggy_/
homework is over-rated :-) the best is when you can integrate hornblower stuff into your work, then there's never any hope. it's all about provisioning his majesty's ships and the (gendered)social (re)constructions of homosocial communities onboard ship.

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 04:12 am (UTC)
ext_8683: (Bush amputation lovely stump)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
This really is a pack of grim reapers. We're all happy about a TYPHUS discussion. XD

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
RICKETTSIA. IT'S GOOD FOR WHAT AILS YA.

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_oggy_/
aaahhh, that's really disgusting.

it kinda looks like a tick, i'm guessing they're related species of disgusting disease-spreading blood sucking fiends.
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
His physical size, those lungs of brass, that no shit attitude. All backed with the power of Parliament and the absolute authority it conferred. And I think the wooden leg makes him even more formidable.

Are you sure that there aren't a couple piece of fic in you? Because it sure does sound like there are. :> :> :>

And yeah. If I'm remembering correctly, none of the other commanders in that squadron has that much experience -- Nonsuch is the only ship of the line out there. Everything else is relatively small and adapted to coastal work, shore bombardment, etc. Bush has age and experience on all of them.
ext_8683: (Bush looking down)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
Fic? Me? Dude, I have no talent. Talk about the burning shame. :D
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
Pffft. You say this, and then in e-mails to me, propose SOUL-BENDING and beautifully phrased propositions about LITTLE GOLD RINGS with LETTERS ON THEM.
ext_8683: (Bush better than a wife)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
In the hopes that I can madly enable you to write it. XD

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 02:00 am (UTC)
ext_8683: (Bush pyramid of skulls)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
Typhus statistics in Sussex, which is where CHICHESTER is located show typhus went through that county in 1785, 1799 and 1800. Source:"A Chronology of Epidemic Disease and Mortality in Southeast England, 1601-1800" (M J Dobson, Nov. 1987)

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_oggy_/
dude, that's fantastic. he could totally have contracted it, although how does one really get it when outside of an army/navy context, i'm unfamiliar with the other strains.
(thanks for the reference).

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 02:38 am (UTC)
ext_8683: (Bush pyramid of skulls)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
The only thing I can figure (pulls theory out of ass) is it must have had something to do with those areas being so interconnected economically to the maritime industries and the navy. Ships were coming and going all the time, and since tyhpus is spread by infested fleas and lice on rats, in an area where you would have a seaport it's not unlikely you could have outbreaks. Like the way the bubonic plague got it's initial toehold in seaport towns.

But that's just a guess.

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_oggy_/
seems to be a sound theory to me, and with all the satellite peripheral wee ports around chichester, something was bound to jump ashore.

Re: oh, horatio.

From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com - Date: 2006-03-15 04:39 am (UTC) - Expand

Re: oh, horatio.

From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_oggy_/ - Date: 2006-03-15 06:13 am (UTC) - Expand

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quigonejinn.livejournal.com
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so excited I could cry. Holy fuck.

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quietcontrary.livejournal.com
1785 - TYPHUS (11 years before Bush's appt to Lt... maybe he's a middie?)
1793 - start of MH
1796 - Bush's appt to Lt
1797 - HH's appt to Lt
1799 - TYPHUS
1800 - TYPHUS
1802 - end of the events aboard Renown

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quietcontrary.livejournal.com
Hmm. Maybe you don't need a typus outbreak, as such. Were single instances likely to be occurring constantly? And then only when everyone starts getting it does it become a problem.

Re: oh, horatio.

Date: 2006-03-15 04:36 pm (UTC)
ext_8683: (Bush stoneware mug)
From: [identity profile] black-hound.livejournal.com
If you go with the 'a couple of years older' statement in LtH, and back Bush up to 1774, then he would be around 11 years old in 1785. That seems like the window to me.

1799 and 1800 are too complicated to figure out properly I think. He would have been on the Conqueror in 1799 and in 1800 right before he ships on the HMS Renown, he was in Chichester for only 3 weeks.

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