I wasn't actually planning, per se, to write fic about them -- it's just stuff that's starting to come up again and again and again as I work my way through fic, and I just wanted a place to stash them and think about them critically. Most of them make serious sense, so it'd be wretched hard to contravene them.
Though. The rebellious/misfit Padawan thing. I really do like the idea of Qui-Gon drifting further and further from Jedi orthodoxy as he grows older -- after all, the Council FUCKS UP SO MUCH during the prequels. It probably doesn't happen on such a galactic scale before the Clone Wars and so forth, but it's a little weird to think both that the council didn't fuck up and that Qui-Gon didn't notice any fuckups.
Plus, a lot of times people use the rebellious/misfit from the beginning thing to shortshrift Dooku's influence. I mean, I swear, even when he was less crazy, Dooku must have been a huuuuuuuuge impact on whoever he trained. Sending an eleven, twelve, or thirteen year old kid in with a guy with that kind of charisma? I'm curious to see different versions of Qui-Gon's kidhood.
Re: the bigness thing. Yeah, it's probable that he was huge throughout his life, particulalry if we're going with input from Neeson' life or whatever, but it's also possible that he didn't. Some of the biggestathletes that I know a lot about had growth spurts in their early twenties or very, very late teens.
It goes into this whole developing idea of mine, I guess, of Qui-Gon's weirdness developing.
Plus, a lot of times people use the rebellious/misfit from the beginning thing to shortshrift Dooku's influence. I mean, I swear, even when he was less crazy, Dooku must have been a huuuuuuuuge impact on whoever he trained. Sending an eleven, twelve, or thirteen year old kid in with a guy with that kind of charisma? I'm curious to see different versions of Qui-Gon's kidhood.
Huh... I'd have thought that Dooku's influence would have reinforced Qui-Gon's weirdness/misfitedness. Especially if Dooku and he were as close as the way AotC implies.
It totally would. And I seriously doubt that Dooku would have taken someone who was totally incompatible with him. Can you imagine him with Mace Windu as an apprentice? Even the most extreme version of what I'm postulating has Qui-Gon with latent rebellious/Council-questioning tendencies.
The question of how close Dooku was with Qui-Gon is also open for poking, though. I mean, there are sources that have explicitly said that Dooku left the Order because of Qui-Gon's death, etc, but that aside, in AotC, if we take Dooku as being serious in his desire to sway Obi-Wan, then he has incentive to overplay closeness with Qui-Gon. The more he can mess with Obi-Wan's
And, like, if Qui-Gon and Dooku are that close, then why the hell haven't Obi-Wan and Dooku's paths "crossed before"? Qui-Gon and Dooku were undoubtedly busy, a few thousand Jedi in a huuuuge universe, but did Qui-Gon never meet Dooku in the window where Dooku was a Jedi and Obi-Wan was a Padawan? Did Qui-Gon just not take Obi-Wan with him? Or are we meant to take "crossed" in the most literal sense?
I mean, I'm not postulating the absolute truth of any of these. They'd just be interesting alleys to turn.
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Date: 2005-08-16 09:18 pm (UTC)Though. The rebellious/misfit Padawan thing. I really do like the idea of Qui-Gon drifting further and further from Jedi orthodoxy as he grows older -- after all, the Council FUCKS UP SO MUCH during the prequels. It probably doesn't happen on such a galactic scale before the Clone Wars and so forth, but it's a little weird to think both that the council didn't fuck up and that Qui-Gon didn't notice any fuckups.
Plus, a lot of times people use the rebellious/misfit from the beginning thing to shortshrift Dooku's influence. I mean, I swear, even when he was less crazy, Dooku must have been a huuuuuuuuge impact on whoever he trained. Sending an eleven, twelve, or thirteen year old kid in with a guy with that kind of charisma? I'm curious to see different versions of Qui-Gon's kidhood.
Re: the bigness thing. Yeah, it's probable that he was huge throughout his life, particulalry if we're going with input from Neeson' life or whatever, but it's also possible that he didn't. Some of the biggest athletes that I know a lot about had growth spurts in their early twenties or very, very late teens.
It goes into this whole developing idea of mine, I guess, of Qui-Gon's weirdness developing.
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Date: 2005-08-16 09:23 pm (UTC)Huh... I'd have thought that Dooku's influence would have reinforced Qui-Gon's weirdness/misfitedness. Especially if Dooku and he were as close as the way AotC implies.
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Date: 2005-08-16 09:41 pm (UTC)The question of how close Dooku was with Qui-Gon is also open for poking, though. I mean, there are sources that have explicitly said that Dooku left the Order because of Qui-Gon's death, etc, but that aside, in AotC, if we take Dooku as being serious in his desire to sway Obi-Wan, then he has incentive to overplay closeness with Qui-Gon. The more he can mess with Obi-Wan's
And, like, if Qui-Gon and Dooku are that close, then why the hell haven't Obi-Wan and Dooku's paths "crossed before"? Qui-Gon and Dooku were undoubtedly busy, a few thousand Jedi in a huuuuge universe, but did Qui-Gon never meet Dooku in the window where Dooku was a Jedi and Obi-Wan was a Padawan? Did Qui-Gon just not take Obi-Wan with him? Or are we meant to take "crossed" in the most literal sense?
I mean, I'm not postulating the absolute truth of any of these. They'd just be interesting alleys to turn.