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May. 26th, 2008 01:18 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
quigonejinnFreedom Hangs Like Heaven.
Iron Man set to Iron and Wine.
20MB, XviD or play in VLC
I'm going to end up recutting this when the DVD comes up because right now, there's this CERTAIN SCENE where SOME FUCKING DOUCHEBAG decides to HANG HIS FUCKING HAND off the side of the CAMERA and then some other asshole walks across andf;lkjgdf. I couldn't figure out a way to cut around it, so that scene sucks. And there's one bit where Rhodey is a talking head, but I figured that I've wasted a week of my life already on this.
So yes. Iron Man and Iron and Wine with Calexico production. And just ignore the fact that they use the wrong reign/reins on that Forbes cover. XD
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Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 09:26 pm (UTC)OH MY EFFING GOD. I can see this so vividly. And he ends up SPITTING and then he's printing off his own Wikipedia page and leaving it on her desk, and goes from, like the Apogee to how many jager bombs he can do in five minutes and how long he can go without sleep because to him that actually DOES mean that he should be able to save the world. Why not? There hasn't been something he couldn't do before.
Okay, taking that into account, I cannot see how movieverse Tony is not dead within at least three years after Iron Man.
Tony ends up being the real deal, screwing up the plan, and forcing Obie's hand.
And isn't it so telling how Obi (I spell it like the Kenobi, yes) totally didn't see that coming? I love his manner in the scene just after Tony's returning press conference, and arm slung over his shoulder, talking to him like a kid, and you can see Tony take on that role of the kid who'll let himself be herded, just stepping into that easily, letting Obi take care of things even though he feel so strongly about this one thing, still Obi's got that pull over him.
but just by being around Tony long enough makes people come to hate him enough to want to/try to kill him
I don't think we (WE THE INNER IM FANDOM CABAL) have even begun to touch on how unimaginably furious he must be, deep, steaming down there. A teenage kind of anger when you realize the world isn't the way you thought it was, that you can't have everything, that you have to get a job, that your parents aren't rich, that they're flawed and sometimes awful, that you yourself can and have hurt people, that other people hurt you for no good reason and the universe doesn't care. Everything was a lie and he's got to be so, so, deep down pissed.
And now he has a big metal suit with rockets on it.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 09:54 pm (UTC)GOD SO TRUE. He just looks like a beaten down puppy, with his lame arm and all the scratches, and GOD. It must feel nice having someone take care of you after those 3 months, because like
I want Movieverse!Tony to meet Mr. Fantastic, if only so he can see his sort of behavior from the outside. Also, because I can see Tony throwing a complete snitfit after a meeting with Mr. Fantastic at SHIELD, and Pepper looking up from her blackberry and smirking so fucking hard that Tony warns her that her face might freeze that way.
sidenote: I was just thinking about this the other day, how there are very little women super-geniuses in the Marvel U. DC has Oracle, Dr. Light (the girl one, not super-fin rapist dude) but Marvel U has...I can't think of any other than Sue Storm for a brief moment in the Ultimates universe (under Ellis, Millar came on and Sue Storm turned to porn face instead of science.) That kinda depresses me, yo.
A teenage kind of anger when you realize the world isn't the way you thought it was, that you can't have everything, that you have to get a job, that your parents aren't rich, that they're flawed and sometimes awful, that you yourself can and have hurt people, that other people hurt you for no good reason and the universe doesn't care. Everything was a lie and he's got to be so, so, deep down pissed.
And now he has a big metal suit with rockets on it.
I'm pretty much in love with that whole paragraph, just so you know, because YES. YES. Because if Tony was a 13 year old girl, he'd hang outside of the mall's Hot Topic and write deep poetry about how no one understands his pain, and he wears black so people will know the color of his sooooul.
But seriously, after Gulmira, and during the Iron Monger fight on the freeway, the potential for collateral damage was so crazy high, I couldn't wrap my brain around Rhodey letting Tony continue as Iron Man. It's not just that he's not formally trained, it's that he's not wired to actually see people as people. For god's sake, he has his suit differentiate between enemies and civilians. It's terrifying the thought of that kind of guy with that sort of weaponry trying to prove to the world that he's good by blowing shit up.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 10:10 pm (UTC)It's terrifying the thought of that kind of guy with that sort of weaponry trying to prove to the world that he's good by blowing shit up.
ESPECIALLY terrifying because Tony is the kind of person who will never believe anyone really actually likes him. Just that maybe they like the version they've seen on tv, or on the cover of a magazine, or the guy they read about in Forbes, or maybe they like his haircut or the line of his suit, maybe they like his way with the ladies, maybe women like him when he's naked or when they're naked on his expensive sheets, on the hood of his expensive cars, spread out on his expensive carpets, but nobody really likes him. He'll think that, and then have no idea who the guy he really wants them to like is. What he's like. So he'll try to build it. Again.
You are totally right about girl geniuses. I think. Off the top of my head. Also, at WisCon, I was on this Buffy panel and realized the other thing that both the big two don't have is a superheroine with a kickass origin story. I mean, big blockbucker superhero movie, and big bestselling books are all about a hero and their origin story and how awesome it is. But the ladies, we are lacking in that. Therefore I plan to come up with one or two. This idea is TM me, no stealing.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 10:24 pm (UTC)Just that maybe they like the version they've seen on tv, or on the cover of a magazine, or the guy they read about in Forbes, or maybe they like his haircut or the line of his suit, maybe they like his way with the ladies, maybe women like him when he's naked or when they're naked on his expensive sheets, on the hood of his expensive cars, spread out on his expensive carpets, but nobody really likes him.
And then I'm required by fucking law to come back and make with the flappy/happy hands. Because yes, when it comes down to it Tony just wants to know someone can love him for him, and not because the rest of the world tells them they should. But Tony's been defined by others for so long, he probably doesn't actually have the tools for any sort of real self-actualization. God, I don't remember which of you two crazy geniuses mentioned it first, but what sort of dad lets their son be on the cover of Popular Mechanics at that young of an age? Not. Healthy. Not even close.
Oh fuck, Tony. It's not him who's lucky he has Pepper. It's the rest of the world who should thank GOD he has her.
THAT. THAT RIGHT THERE. That's why they can't work, because a healthy relationship has to be equal on some level, and one person can't be the world's greatest weapon's moral compass. Poor Pepper, she's Jiminy fucking Cricket and Tony just wants to be a real boy and she's going to get CRUSHED.
Oh, now this thread is killing my soul guys. Thanks.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 10:30 pm (UTC)This is why, I think, Lindsay Lohan and Tony Stark are my crazy crack pairing of doom. I'm totally convinced now that Howard Stark was a shitty parent who didn't come close to putting his son first, and well. We all know about Casa Lohan and the crazy.
Just that maybe they like the version they've seen on tv, or on the cover of a magazine, or the guy they read about in Forbes,
Which is not only the greatest beginning to a minific ever, but it also ties in SO WELL to why he keeps making robots
and clones. It's the emo underpinnings behind why Tony Stark is such a fucking crazy control freak. He can't be sure. Especially not now, post-suit. Even more now, and I bet that, in his rush of righteousness and despite his GIANT BRAIN OF DOOM, he doesn't feel it eating away at him.Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 10:45 pm (UTC)Poor Pepper, she's Jiminy fucking Cricket and Tony just wants to be a real boy and she's going to get CRUSHED.
OH GOD MY WHOLE HEART.
So this might get incoherent, but I had this conversation with some people about how writing is my THING, and um, a certain, um, boyfriend of mine doesn't have THING and doesn't really get what it means and kinda feels weird that I am totally willing to turn hermit and ignore all human interaction and forgo all other pleasures if I can just WRITE because it's my THING. It's my God. And then they were all "well maybe you're his Thing right now" and we all agreed that a person should never be your Thing. It happens, but it's never a good idea.
Now, Tony, he has a Thing. Pepper, she has Tony. But like me and writing, Tony's Thing will always come first, always, in one way or another. And that's no good for Pepper, no matter how much she might tell herself she's willing to give. At some point, it's too much for anyone.
UGGGGH I need to stop this, shower, and start writing my demon in a bottle thing NOW. YOU PEOPLE WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 10:58 pm (UTC)Dude. I spent three years of college in a room the size of a refrigerator box and, uh, broke up with my fiance for reasons including, though definitely not limited to, his failure to support my crackfaced addiction to writing, including fandom writing. SO. I HEAR THIS SENTIMENT.
Tony, at the place he's in immediately post-IM, just isn't in a good place for a long-term relationship with Pepper. Period. I mean, yeah, I can imagine the kind of girlfriend of superhero thing working for a while, but in a way, that would be lessening Pepper's involvement in Tony's life. She's intimately involved in what he does. She's part of the superhero narrative, and that's the way it should be, but if things play out with Tony the way we've been speculating in this uber-thread? My God.
For the love of God, somebody write some happy Pepper-and-that-cute-agent-from-SHIELD. Quick.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 11:05 pm (UTC)GOD I LOVED THAT MAN. Seriously, I thought she was going to ask him out when she followed him to the door in the end. And she should. Because he's adorably cute and straight forward, and that's gotta be fucking refreshing. Pepper doesn't have to worry about double-meaning with him, just weird, unnecessarily complicated acronyms.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 11:09 pm (UTC)And they have adorable babies, the raising of which he fully participates as an enlightened modern man. And Uncle Tony drops by to play with he kids and have silent fits of emo about how this is the life he could have had (but not really), which he deals with by teaching the babies a list of really charming things they should say to Mommy and the girls in their class and their priest.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 11:17 pm (UTC)THAT WAS TOTALLY THE HUSBAND IN NUMBER EIGHT, RIGHT?
Because that's what I totally chose to believe when I was reading that, just so you know.
...which he deals with by teaching the babies a list of really charming things they should say to Mommy and the girls in their class and their priest.
God, Tony Stark will totally pull a Will from "About a Boy" wouldn't he? When Pepper tells Agent Coulson she wants him to be the godfather to their baby daughter, he'd probably freak out and be all "YOU KNOW HE'LL JUST TRY AND SLEEP WITH HER THE MOMENT SHE TURNS EIGHTEEN, RIGHT?" And Pepper would remind him that Tony Stark does have a soul, and besides, Jarvis would call her if he even so much as smirks in her general direction, so stop worrying.
Awww. We've reached the fluffy portion of our mutual madness. Finally.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 11:25 pm (UTC)Jarvis would call her if he even so much as smirks in her general direction, so stop worrying.
YEAH, PEPPER KNOWS HOW DANGERUOS THOSE SMIRKS ARE.
Also, I wouldn't put it past Pepper to insert some kind of subroutine/extra equipment mod Jarvis that would deliver an electrical shock to Tony each time he let his eyes wander south of her chin.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 11:37 pm (UTC)AHAHAHA. YES. YES. SHE WOULD.
And Jarvis would be all miffed as she tooled around with his subroutines, explaining petulantly that she only had to ask.
Oh, man, I kind of want Pepper/Jarvis now. Dammit.
Can I link to this in my next YDIMS post? Because GOD THIS WAS SO MUCH FUN.
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 11:43 pm (UTC)Although now I'm deeply embarrassed by me and and my dropped words and inexplicable typos. I SWEAR, I have them only because at any moment, I expect the Internet Police to walk into my office at any moment and say, "Look, we know what you've been looking at. You have five minutes to collect your belongings while Rosa Klebb watches menacingly from the door."
Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.
Date: 2008-05-27 11:03 pm (UTC)YES. EXACTLY. THAT'S IT.
Because Tony is Pepper's work, and how the heck do you separate that? I have this whole protofic brewing about how Pepper got into the PA business to make rich contacts, because she ultimately wants to get into charity work and she's knows big business means big tax brackets and a whole lot of people wanting to donate to get tax breaks and she's always been very good at organizing things. In my head Pepper is the one that organized the whole Fireman's Ball thing, as a chance to test herself, and in some point in the future she actually sees herself doing that full time instead. She probably already has a file of potential candidates for her position. But when Tony outs himself as Iron Man, that window, that chance to get out gets slimmer and slimmer each day, because now she is genuinely worried about Tony, and on some level she probably hates it, hates being trapped by her feelings and by Tony's needs and her innate sense of right and wrong.
Oh, Pep, what have you gotten yourself into?
UGGGGH I need to stop this, shower, and start writing my demon in a bottle thing NOW. YOU PEOPLE WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.
DON'T BLAME ME. I JUST WORK HERE- oh. Wait.
Dammit.