I now completely understand the meaning of the term "Belay that" having done it from one end of the Kalmar Nyckel to the other and back again.
And never let me near a keyboard until I have at least 2309348234 cups of caffeine. Queue buddy comes out of the Rev War era and is associated with the army. So, too early, too army, & too much time for me reenacting the era & having it pollute everything else. *G*
Tie-mate is the Napoleonic navy equivalent. And yeah -- who WAS yanking on Mr. Bush's queue. *wants pictures*
I don't remember what I posted about it before, but I shall hold forth just because:
The word 'ribbon' you often see as 'ribband' and even more frequently the term 'tape' is used to refer to the wrapping. That is a product that comes from a tape loom and looked something like our modern grosgrain ribbon. It was generally twill woven (like your blue jeans) so that it would grip. And it was most likely silk. In the Rev War era the hair ribbands were part of what was referred to as the "small mounting", which is sort of the accessory shit associated with the uniform. I really don't know if that term travelled forward into the Napoleonic era.
The ratings would very often use eelskin soaked in brine as a wrapping.
Some of these officers had servants to do their queues, but there is no reason to even go there when talking about Bush.
Sometimes the queues were actually padded out with yarn or other materials if the hair was too thin. And it wasn't just a ponytail under there. You can't wrap that for shit. You need to braid the hair first. They would apply some sort of pomade to help control the hair and then plait it and wrap it.
The wrapping process isn't just winding round and round because that won't hold. You start at the back at the base of the queue and cross the two ends over the front, bring them to the back, cross them back there, bring them to the front, and away you go until you get up to the base of the skull.
I'm good with my hair and I can't do this myself and make it presentable. I always need someone else to wrap it for me.
The bow that you often see at the base of the skull is not part of the same tape or ribband that is used to wrap. It's a separate bit of ribbon.
There is a casualness in fic about these queues with men unwrapping them and rewrapping them all over the place. Really not so historically. They kept them wrapped until they started to get a bit messy, including sleeping on them. Especially naval officers who are on a watch system.
The Navy held onto the queue much longer than the army. Edrington's hair in the movie is really on the edge of OOC. I personally happen to think it's over the edge. Somewhere around 1812 *makes vague handwaving motion* the queues start disappearing in the navy as well, especially among the younger officers and the more fashion forward.
I think in the movies, there was a salient unspoken point being made by having Bush with a wrapped queue. Traditional navy all the way.
And circling back to the Rev War. HERE is a period woodcut of Coldstream Guards, IIRC, doing each other's hair.
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Belayed from end of the ship to the other
Date: 2006-01-21 11:42 pm (UTC)And never let me near a keyboard until I have at least 2309348234 cups of caffeine. Queue buddy comes out of the Rev War era and is associated with the army. So, too early, too army, & too much time for me reenacting the era & having it pollute everything else. *G*
Tie-mate is the Napoleonic navy equivalent. And yeah -- who WAS yanking on Mr. Bush's queue. *wants pictures*
I don't remember what I posted about it before, but I shall hold forth just because:
The word 'ribbon' you often see as 'ribband' and even more frequently the term 'tape' is used to refer to the wrapping. That is a product that comes from a tape loom and looked something like our modern grosgrain ribbon. It was generally twill woven (like your blue jeans) so that it would grip. And it was most likely silk. In the Rev War era the hair ribbands were part of what was referred to as the "small mounting", which is sort of the accessory shit associated with the uniform. I really don't know if that term travelled forward into the Napoleonic era.
The ratings would very often use eelskin soaked in brine as a wrapping.
Some of these officers had servants to do their queues, but there is no reason to even go there when talking about Bush.
Sometimes the queues were actually padded out with yarn or other materials if the hair was too thin. And it wasn't just a ponytail under there. You can't wrap that for shit. You need to braid the hair first. They would apply some sort of pomade to help control the hair and then plait it and wrap it.
The wrapping process isn't just winding round and round because that won't hold. You start at the back at the base of the queue and cross the two ends over the front, bring them to the back, cross them back there, bring them to the front, and away you go until you get up to the base of the skull.
I'm good with my hair and I can't do this myself and make it presentable. I always need someone else to wrap it for me.
The bow that you often see at the base of the skull is not part of the same tape or ribband that is used to wrap. It's a separate bit of ribbon.
There is a casualness in fic about these queues with men unwrapping them and rewrapping them all over the place. Really not so historically. They kept them wrapped until they started to get a bit messy, including sleeping on them. Especially naval officers who are on a watch system.
The Navy held onto the queue much longer than the army. Edrington's hair in the movie is really on the edge of OOC. I personally happen to think it's over the edge. Somewhere around 1812 *makes vague handwaving motion* the queues start disappearing in the navy as well, especially among the younger officers and the more fashion forward.
I think in the movies, there was a salient unspoken point being made by having Bush with a wrapped queue. Traditional navy all the way.
And circling back to the Rev War. HERE is a period woodcut of Coldstream Guards, IIRC, doing each other's hair.