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[quigonejinn]

Freedom Hangs Like Heaven.

Iron Man set to Iron and Wine.
20MB, XviD or play in VLC

I'm going to end up recutting this when the DVD comes up because right now, there's this CERTAIN SCENE where SOME FUCKING DOUCHEBAG decides to HANG HIS FUCKING HAND off the side of the CAMERA and then some other asshole walks across andf;lkjgdf. I couldn't figure out a way to cut around it, so that scene sucks. And there's one bit where Rhodey is a talking head, but I figured that I've wasted a week of my life already on this.

So yes. Iron Man and Iron and Wine with Calexico production. And just ignore the fact that they use the wrong reign/reins on that Forbes cover. XD

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Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

STOP MAKING ME LAUGH AT WORK.

And yeah. I'm fascinated by the AU of what happens if Tony's parents never die. Presumably, Obi-wan never feels the need to get warlords to kidnap Tony. Does he ever have an equivalent experience? Is Pepper still working for him? Does he still have a relationship with Rhodey?

I mean, I can see it going both ways. If his parents never die, he doesn't have to take the weight of that legacy on his shoulders, and he can get away a lot longer with less self-questioning as a playboy 100% of the time with 115% of his soul. On the other hand, does Tony's US flag pin-wearing, Ahnold-supporting (oh God, Stark Industries probably donates to both parties, but a little more to the Repubs) stem from the need to live up to that legacy of having a dad who worked on the Manhattan Project? Does that actually stifle any questions he might end up asking himself?

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[gabby-silang.livejournal.com]

If Tony ever met someone who voted for Nader, he'd laugh, smack them across the cheek just a bit too hard to be kindly, and tell them to get a job.

Is non-orphan Tony even still a playboy? How much of that is just him, and how much is the swarm of media attention to the heir of the Starks? Would his parents let him get away with as much? Or would Tony be the forever heir-apparent, in the background in a lab coat, or maybe just grease-stained dress shirts, with goggles always dangling somewhere, with all these plans that aren't quite enough for dad to look at because, don't you know, he worked on the goddamn Manhattan Project.

Which made me think, while watching, wow, what kind of people must he hang out with that being the son of a Manhattan Project-worker has cache? In any circle I've been in, that would only bring fascinated horror and awe. Not so much, you know, the sexy.

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME, OK. Then again, I totally get off on the idea of little Tony Stark having a long conversation with, say, Niels Bohrs. And Bohrs suggesting that maybe little Tony wants to go into physics research someday, and Tony makes a face and says finding out whether something might be true or not isn't nearly as cool as building things.

Or would Tony be the forever heir-apparent, in the background in a lab coat, or maybe just grease-stained dress shirts, with goggles always dangling somewhere, with all these plans that aren't quite enough for dad to look

Which OK, taking that as the premise, does that mean Rhodey knew a different guy at MIT? Because then that just has fascinating ramifications for the development of the Tony and Rhodey relationship.

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[gabby-silang.livejournal.com]

HEEE. Well, you know, in theory I find it all sexy, but I'm sure that, confronted with a real life atom bomb-builder, I'd have some sort of moral crisis of OMG IS IT ETHICAL TO TALK TO THEM. OMG WHY DO I WANT TO KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT HOW BOMBS WORK.

does that mean Rhodey knew a different guy at MIT?

Huh. Well, yeah. In fact, would Rhodey have turned out the dominant personality in the relationship? I am too hungry to think beyond how that would be neat. And hot.

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[dafnap.livejournal.com]

Is non-orphan Tony even still a playboy? How much of that is just him, and how much is the swarm of media attention to the heir of the Starks? Would his parents let him get away with as much?

I'm absolutely fascinated with that train of thought, and a little saddened that we don't know much about Mrs. Stark, because I'd love to know how she might have affected his upbringing. amonitrate played with the idea of Mrs. Stark briefly in her recent story Well Heeled (which I am absolutely in love with):

“My mom refused to let me eat this stuff,” he ventures as she pulls the Ferrari into the driveway and guides it through the curved descent into his garage. This is only the second or third time she’s heard him mention his mother in all the years she’s worked for him but Pepper doesn’t respond -- she’s still too infuriated to be careful with him -- and he doesn’t elaborate.

...but it just gave me a taste, and now I want more. I love the idea of a mother figure that's not supportive or nurturing, because that superhero cliche is so fucking worn, and crazy sexist and argh. Mothers in superhero comics are supportive, but it's the fathers that are harsh, demanding, but also the reason why the character strives to ultimately be better in the first place. Sort of like The Pillowman, but with spandex I guess? WHATEVER. One of us needs to do the "Five ways Tony Stark Is Still an Asshole Even If His Parents Had Lived" thing. And by "one of us" I mean you guys because writing is hard and I'm waaaay better at this whole "reading" thing :D

Also, the thought that maybe Tony is a better person because his parents are dead, is a deliciously terrifying one.

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

I love the idea of a mother figure that's not supportive or nurturing, because that superhero cliche is so fucking worn, and crazy sexist and

Yeah. That was oneo f the details that I liked about that fic. Tony doesn't talk about Mom. At all. Ever.

And spelling this out because that's just how I roll, logically, and there are two ways to go with this, right? (OK, so there are more than two, and I'm engaging in Tony-style categorization, but bear with me.) Either he doesn't talk about her because she was a great Mom, and it hurts too much to talk about her (even more than Dad), or because she was shitty Mom, and it hurts too much to talk about her in a totally different, fucked up "I can't forgive her" way.

The second is waaaaaaaaaay more interesting fic-wise, particularly if you're going with the "Howard Stark was a Shitty Parent" thread. And it plays into his relationships w/women and his one-night stands and snark with Pepper in a really, really interesting way.

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[gabby-silang.livejournal.com]

Oh man yes.

Also, totally off topic, but speaking of fics, I just read that fucking hot thing that svillficrecs wrote about, like, Tony SUCKING PEPPER'S FEET and then them DOING IT HARDCORE and then TAKING AN EMOTIONALLY CHARGED SHOWER.

And I think I now have both a foot and a beard fetish. Jesus.

Um. But back to talking about Tony' mom. Yeah. Yeah, I bet she sucked. We should, ah, write shit about that. About how sucky she was. Maybe she was Obidiah. DUM DUM DUMMMM.

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

MPREG is probably the one thing we haven't discussed in this thread. I mean, really.

(Tony, for the record, would be so hilarious pregnant. Dear God.)

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[gabby-silang.livejournal.com]

AAAHAHA he would issue a List of Demands. "Part I: Food, Part II: Drink, Part III: Slimming Shirts and Comfortable Footwear, Part IV: Video Games".

And when he got bigger he'd rub his belly like something erotic and leer at everybody.

the tony stark pregnancy rider.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Oh Jesus. Also, no drinking because of fear of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. And Tony loudly talking about how great pregnancy sex is. And.

Would they have to build a pouch in the suit? For the bump.

Re: the tony stark pregnancy rider.

[dafnap.livejournal.com]

Would they have to build a pouch in the suit? For the bump.

I hate you. So much. The janitors think I'm crazy.

(now we totally know who designed Cable's bitchin' babeh carrier.)

Re: the tony stark pregnancy rider.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Maternity wear. For the expectant superhero. I'm crying with laughter over here.

"Jarvis, I'd like to see the Active Sporty Carrier in gold-titanium."

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[dafnap.livejournal.com]

I just read that fucking hot thing that svillficrecs wrote about, like, Tony SUCKING PEPPER'S FEET and then them DOING IT HARDCORE and then TAKING AN EMOTIONALLY CHARGED SHOWER.

GOD I KNOW. Also, the whole first part in the limo, holy moly, I wanted Limo!Banging fic (with Happy listening in of course, because he's Happy. And he's EVERYWHERE) so badly after that, it was a little embarrassing.

Their whole confrontation in the workshop, with Tony wanting to talk about his FEELINGS and Pepper being all DO NOT WANT was a delicious switch from the usual.

(speaking of Happy, him chilling outside the Arc Reactor warehouse smoking a cigarette against the car was...kind of hot? Oh, Favreau. One day I'll learn to spell your name w/o googling it, but you are kinda dreamy in your little hair piece and suit.)

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[quigonejinn.livejournal.com]

Oh, kiddos. The conversatino is getting a little racy, so I'm going to bow out of this conversation until I go home in a couple hours. I need to get some work done before, like, midnight.

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[dafnap.livejournal.com]

Totally agreed. Good luck with finishing up. I'm going to clean up my steamed up glasses and try the same.

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[gabby-silang.livejournal.com]

And I, in a sane timezone, will take a shower. I can't decide if it'll be hot or cold.

Re: second time through = golden. i'm thinking about going time #3.

[gabby-silang.livejournal.com]

Jesus Mary and Joseph I was making such noises. I, too, wanted it RIGHT THERE and I still kinda do. For some reason I thought there was really SOME REASON that there hasn't been more nc-17 stuff so far? But clearly there is no excuse because damn.

And OMG YES TONYYYY the whole thing and the feet thing and I can utterly see it happening just like that with the footrubs and then with Rhodey in the plane I just cringed when Tony started doing the foot thing because DUH HELLO TONY and it's like he was pushing the subject but didn't know how to do it without making everyone totally uncomfortable.

And, wow, his MOUTH. I am fixated. His fucking MOUTH.

I should really be leaving all this as a comment over there. Oh well.

(HEEEE FAVREAU'S HAIRPIECE. I love knowing that more than nearly any trivia ever.)