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quigonejinn) wrote2008-05-26 01:18 pm
quigonejinn) wrote2008-05-26 01:18 pm
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Freedom Hangs Like Heaven.
Iron Man set to Iron and Wine.
20MB, XviD or play in VLC
I'm going to end up recutting this when the DVD comes up because right now, there's this CERTAIN SCENE where SOME FUCKING DOUCHEBAG decides to HANG HIS FUCKING HAND off the side of the CAMERA and then some other asshole walks across andf;lkjgdf. I couldn't figure out a way to cut around it, so that scene sucks. And there's one bit where Rhodey is a talking head, but I figured that I've wasted a week of my life already on this.
So yes. Iron Man and Iron and Wine with Calexico production. And just ignore the fact that they use the wrong reign/reins on that Forbes cover. XD
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I'm pretty sure she's into the same flavor of pain as we are,
Oh, I'm willing to say that Iron Man blows every single other superhero movie, ever, out of the water when it comes to interioricity.
Oh thank god, because I swear I think it's pretty much my favorite superhero movie (and movie, but I have little to no taste when it comes to actual film, so we'll just pretend I didn't type that, kay?) ever, and people keep throwing Batman Begins in my face, and I'm like "REALLY? THIRTY MINUTES JUST TO PICK A PURPLE FUCKING FLOWER?" and this is coming from a girl that sports a DC comics pin on practically every article of clothing she owns (you work in a comic store long enough, suddenly everything you own suffers the same fate.)
BB was fun, sure, but the script was as weak as most of the supporting cast and films need to be a group effort. Iron Man across the board was fucking top. notch.
And I don't even like Gwyneth Paltrow.
I KNOW, RIGHT? I never expected Pepper Potts to be one of my favorite parts of the film. I'm ashamed to say, but I've been burned by how they handle the female protagonists in superhero films to many times before, I wasn't going to give her a chance. And now I've got like 20 pages of back-story fic all because G-Pat won me over with her little grin-toe-heel spin with the espresso cup in her first scene. Cripes.
If you want to make sure a dude sees stuff in black-and-white, with-me-against-me, it's hard to think of a first confrontation that'll do it more
I didn't even think about that, how the conflict with Stane might practically imprint that sort of automatic response in Tony. That's going to be so fucking frustrating for his friends, when already trying to get Tony to act normal was an uphill process before Afghanistan, now that he's playing the righteous-warrior angle it can't get any easier. Dealing with true believers is always a bitch, but a true believer in a high-tech rocket suit? Ouch.
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I am so in love with that. Because by that, I mean Tony. I want really badly to write something that's all about his total true-believer, old-school patriotic heart. Tony would unironically wear a US flag pin on his lapel. Tony voted for Arnold. Tony has never learned a foreign language in his life, except the bits that help him to order food, or the local equivalent of "my place or yours." Well, actually just my place. Tony never goes to yours.
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And yeah. I'm fascinated by the AU of what happens if Tony's parents never die. Presumably, Obi
-wannever feels the need to get warlords to kidnap Tony. Does he ever have an equivalent experience? Is Pepper still working for him? Does he still have a relationship with Rhodey?I mean, I can see it going both ways. If his parents never die, he doesn't have to take the weight of that legacy on his shoulders, and he can get away a lot longer with less self-questioning as a playboy 100% of the time with 115% of his soul. On the other hand, does Tony's US flag pin-wearing, Ahnold-supporting (oh God, Stark Industries probably donates to both parties, but a little more to the Repubs) stem from the need to live up to that legacy of having a dad who worked on the Manhattan Project? Does that actually stifle any questions he might end up asking himself?
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Is non-orphan Tony even still a playboy? How much of that is just him, and how much is the swarm of media attention to the heir of the Starks? Would his parents let him get away with as much? Or would Tony be the forever heir-apparent, in the background in a lab coat, or maybe just grease-stained dress shirts, with goggles always dangling somewhere, with all these plans that aren't quite enough for dad to look at because, don't you know, he worked on the goddamn Manhattan Project.
Which made me think, while watching, wow, what kind of people must he hang out with that being the son of a Manhattan Project-worker has cache? In any circle I've been in, that would only bring fascinated horror and awe. Not so much, you know, the sexy.
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Or would Tony be the forever heir-apparent, in the background in a lab coat, or maybe just grease-stained dress shirts, with goggles always dangling somewhere, with all these plans that aren't quite enough for dad to look
Which OK, taking that as the premise, does that mean Rhodey knew a different guy at MIT? Because then that just has fascinating ramifications for the development of the Tony and Rhodey relationship.
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does that mean Rhodey knew a different guy at MIT?
Huh. Well, yeah. In fact, would Rhodey have turned out the dominant personality in the relationship? I am too hungry to think beyond how that would be neat. And hot.
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I'm absolutely fascinated with that train of thought, and a little saddened that we don't know much about Mrs. Stark, because I'd love to know how she might have affected his upbringing.
“My mom refused to let me eat this stuff,” he ventures as she pulls the Ferrari into the driveway and guides it through the curved descent into his garage. This is only the second or third time she’s heard him mention his mother in all the years she’s worked for him but Pepper doesn’t respond -- she’s still too infuriated to be careful with him -- and he doesn’t elaborate.
...but it just gave me a taste, and now I want more. I love the idea of a mother figure that's not supportive or nurturing, because that superhero cliche is so fucking worn, and crazy sexist and argh. Mothers in superhero comics are supportive, but it's the fathers that are harsh, demanding, but also the reason why the character strives to ultimately be better in the first place. Sort of like The Pillowman, but with spandex I guess? WHATEVER. One of us needs to do the "Five ways Tony Stark Is Still an Asshole Even If His Parents Had Lived" thing. And by "one of us" I mean you guys because writing is hard and I'm waaaay better at this whole "reading" thing :D
Also, the thought that maybe Tony is a better person because his parents are dead, is a deliciously terrifying one.
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Yeah. That was oneo f the details that I liked about that fic. Tony doesn't talk about Mom. At all. Ever.
And spelling this out because that's just how I roll, logically, and there are two ways to go with this, right? (OK, so there are more than two, and I'm engaging in Tony-style categorization, but bear with me.) Either he doesn't talk about her because she was a great Mom, and it hurts too much to talk about her (even more than Dad), or because she was shitty Mom, and it hurts too much to talk about her in a totally different, fucked up "I can't forgive her" way.
The second is waaaaaaaaaay more interesting fic-wise, particularly if you're going with the "Howard Stark was a Shitty Parent" thread. And it plays into his relationships w/women and his one-night stands and snark with Pepper in a really, really interesting way.
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Also, totally off topic, but speaking of fics, I just read that fucking hot thing that svillficrecs wrote about, like, Tony SUCKING PEPPER'S FEET and then them DOING IT HARDCORE and then TAKING AN EMOTIONALLY CHARGED SHOWER.
And I think I now have both a foot and a beard fetish. Jesus.
Um. But back to talking about Tony' mom. Yeah. Yeah, I bet she sucked. We should, ah, write shit about that. About how sucky she was. Maybe she was Obidiah. DUM DUM DUMMMM.
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(Tony, for the record, would be so hilarious pregnant. Dear God.)
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And when he got bigger he'd rub his belly like something erotic and leer at everybody.
the tony stark pregnancy rider.
Would they have to build a pouch in the suit? For the bump.
Re: the tony stark pregnancy rider.
Re: the tony stark pregnancy rider.
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GOD I KNOW. Also, the whole first part in the limo, holy moly, I wanted Limo!Banging fic (with Happy listening in of course, because he's Happy. And he's EVERYWHERE) so badly after that, it was a little embarrassing.
Their whole confrontation in the workshop, with Tony wanting to talk about his FEELINGS and Pepper being all DO NOT WANT was a delicious switch from the usual.
(speaking of Happy, him chilling outside the Arc Reactor warehouse smoking a cigarette against the car was...kind of hot? Oh, Favreau. One day I'll learn to spell your name w/o googling it, but you are kinda dreamy in your little hair piece and suit.)
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And OMG YES TONYYYY the whole thing and the feet thing and I can utterly see it happening just like that with the footrubs and then with Rhodey in the plane I just cringed when Tony started doing the foot thing because DUH HELLO TONY and it's like he was pushing the subject but didn't know how to do it without making everyone totally uncomfortable.
And, wow, his MOUTH. I am fixated. His fucking MOUTH.
I should really be leaving all this as a comment over there. Oh well.
(HEEEE FAVREAU'S HAIRPIECE. I love knowing that more than nearly any trivia ever.)
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I ECHO
Okay, so, we need to start a "Tony..." meme ala Chuck Norris, like:
"Tony Stark cares about the environment, that's why he insists on having his electric Hummer flown by private jet to whatever country he's currently sober enough to drive in."
Except, you know, actually funny. Like what you did.
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OR THAT THEY WILL KNOW WE ARE DOING NO WORK. AT ALL. It is 6PM, and I'm still revising the same page that I was this morning. I hate all of you.
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All I got right now is "Tony Stark has never touched a baby." I have no idea why.
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AND YET. AND YET. BB doesn't hold a match to the SHINING COLUMN OF AWESOME that is Iron Man. It's not fair to put Pepper or Everheart against wassernameicannotremember from BB because they blow every other female superhero character out of the water except for, maybe, the ladies from the X franchise, and in that case, it's only because Jean Grey and Storm and everybody's favorite formerly-married-to-the-cute-brother-from-Full-House shapeshifter have powers that are about 10000000x more badass than anybody else onscreen. Yeah, they're cool and tough, but their identities are based on their superpowers -- not being tough, smart, professional women like Pepper and UNLOOKED FOR BONUS OF THE YEAR Everheart are. Which makes me <3 them in for fic slightly less because it's easy to be awesome hwen you control lightning bolts.
Anyways. Even if you do a Bale v. RDJ comparison, there's nothing there. I love Bale and respect his work, but he reads flat as Batman. Which isn't to say that's not the way Bruce Wayne should be played because dear God, I am first abord the "Bruce Wayne is fucked up" train, but it also means that there isn't nearly the amount of depth and nuance in his performance. You need the thirty minutes of purple flower picking to explain why Bruce Wayne is where he is; you could just start with Tony getting off the plane, and I'd still buy the rest of the movie 125%.
And that is my piece.
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I am the same sort of die-hard Bat fangirl, which also explains why I pinged so hard with Tony in the first place, but the difference (and this is something that makes BB so joyless for me) is that Tony doesn't take himself too seriously (even when he really fucking should. like, oh I don't know, when single-handedly trying to turn the tide of a decades long conflict that has only been made worse each time a western foreign interest has tried to do the same, Tony.) Sort of like why I sort of fell in love with the Ultimate Peter Parker - his brand of funny comes from mortal fear bordering on utter hysteria, he's funny because he's scared shitless, because he's fully cognizant of the situation he's in (this is also what the Spider-Man movie missed: the funny. but that's another rant for another time.)
Pretty much the only parts I liked in BB were when Bruce was in full on boozy playboy mode (hitting on the secretary, crashing his own birthday party, etc.) which is probably why I adore Tony Stark and Iron Man so much, it manages to be funny, sweet, and deadly serious when it needs to be, never letting one aspect overshadow the others. BB didn't do that. BB just sat there, being way too serious for a story about a dude that immediately jumps to cosplay to solve his inner angst.
That, and how perfect was the opening for Iron Man? The first shot we see is the scotch glass, that touch of class incongruous with the military surroundings, setting off just how out of touch Tony Stark really is from the rest of the world.
...
We're all going to be fired, aren't we?
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And yes. Exactly. There's way too little humor in BB. It doesn't acknwoledge the fundamental hilariousness of ahahhah COSPLAY, as you put it, as a solution to the problems of urban living. Even when I was watching the movie, there are these moments where I had to actively take my disbelief and hang it up on a rack somewhere then go back to paying attention to the movie. Thanks to great script and the fact that Tony Stark has charisma under his fingernails instead of dirt and that Jon Favreau is SO FUCKING GOOD, I never, ever, ever had to do that with IM.
Also. Michael Caine dialed in his role from somewhere near the Orion Nebula. It was so painful to watch him not care as Alfred. I loved Alfred so much in B:TAS. So much. My fave episode, for years, was the one where he goes on vacation at Poison Ivy's resort with his galpal.
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Also, a story about a dude that immediately jumps to cosplay to solve his inner angst. I fucking love you.
So I, um. Sort of like Bats? I mean, okay, so I loved TAS because it was fucking amazing, duh, and BB was everything y'all have said, but he just never got me in the comics, unless he was being funny in someone else's title or a group thing. That aside, I have on two separate occasions rented every Batman film, and some of the animated ones, and watched them back-to-back nonstop all weekend. Because I cannot live without superheroes.
And now, fuck me, I can't live without watching Iron Man once every three days or so.
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You are so not alone in that. I'm putting it on my iPod as soon as I get home. So I can watch it everytime I walk to work. So I can comment in threads like these, and then get fired so I can watch it on my computer at home. IT ALL WORKS OUT IN THE END.
Speaking of Animated!Bats, I'm in love with the Batman from JL, JLU. He's a bit more well-adjusted, but undeniably effed, and the way he plays off of Wonder Woman (JLU, by the way? Has some of the best developed female protagonists EVER. Don't even get me started on the awesomeness that is Green Arrow not even arguing with Black Canary about riding in the bitch-seat. He doesn't even seem to mind: he delivers this awesome bitch-slap of a speech to Superman, and then climbs back on board behind Black Canary and they ride off into the sunset. It's gloooorious. Longest. Parenthetical. Ever.)
That aside, I have on two separate occasions rented every Batman film
I kind of adore the Michael Keaton Batman something lots? He was mildly well-adjusted, but that scene with Selina on the dance floor, absolutely broke me. It was the perfect encapsulation on why Superheroes Don't Do Romance, but also why they should try. I'm quoting from my head here, so it's not completely accurate but "Does that mean we have to fight now?" kills me every. time.
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BB just sat there, being way too serious for a story about a dude that immediately jumps to cosplay to solve his inner angst.
word.