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Things I liked:

  • Gal Godot is delightful, and particularly in connection with Pine's Steve Trevor.

  • The touch about Diana being the only baby on the island, and her reaction when she sees a baby in the street. As somebody hip deep in baby fandom, I TOTES GET IT LADY

  • Chief! The more I read, the cooler he gets.

  • Behaviors associated with patriarchy are learned, not inherent! What a delightful point and delightfully made!

  • HELLO LESBIAN ISLAND AND ANTIOPE'S HOT BRUNETTE LOVER WHO IMDB INFORMS ME IS NAMED MENALIPPE I WANT SO MUCH ABOUT THEMISCYRA

  • HELLO MEN ARE NECESSARY FOR REPRODUCTION BUT NOT FOR PLEASURE HA HA HA HA

  • Oh man, the entire above-average exchange had the entire theater chortling

  • Little baby Diana's face!!!!! So determined!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I love the hat tip to 70's Diana Prince with the glasses and how they do the trick. I know, it's ridiculous, but I still loved it as a kiddo who watched a lot of re-run Wonder Woman, complete with invisble plane.

  • I can't lie. I love that Steve Trevor fridged himself. On a plane! Full of weapons of mass destruction! Steve Rogers knows that playbook (and now I want Steve/Diana -- Steve touristing at the Louvre and looking at all the masterworks with a baseball hat pulled down, and a certain behind-the-scenes researcher comments on the doodle he's made, and then slips away, and 35 seconds later there's an international supervillain incident, and I am basicaly incapable of writing happy things anymore, but SOMEBODY please write Steve Rogers and Diana going on a date after that and going back to her beautiful apartment in the 16eme with parquet floors and a river view because based on those incredible clothes she's wearing at the start of the movie, WE ALL KNOW DIANA IS LOADED.)

  • Man, how much do I like the thread that war and the awfulness of human behavior are not just the result of a single superhuman bad guy who changes us all, but out of the depths of our human nature? It's a great thread (that is alas, minimized by the end of the film).

  • We all know how much I love stories where people that love you lie about who and what you are. :D Is this why Diana doesn't go back in the end???????


  • Things I didn't like:

  • OH MY FUCKING GOD HOW RIDICULOUS WAS POSH MCENGLISHFACE'S FINAL BOSS UNIFORM

  • OH MY FUCKING GOD HOW RIDICULOUS WAS POSH MCENGLISHFACE'S FINAL BOSS UNIFORM
  • SERIOUSLY IT WAS SO BAD YOU COULD SEE DAVID THEWLIS'S RABBITY LITTLE FACE AND TWITCHY LITTLE MUSTACHE AND I WAS LIKE IF THIS IS WHAT REAL ULTIMATE BADNESS LOOKS LIKE MAYBE IT SHOULD HAVE A HELMET THAT DOESN'T REMIND US ALL OF HOW MUCH ARES DOESN'T HAVE A CHIN?????

  • More substantively, the end helped refine why I bounce off of so many DC movies, viz: when I watch a movie and it's the big boss fight that is supposed to be the emotional climax, my butt is in the seat beacuse I care about the characters and the plotlines. I want to know what happens. I want my characters, in whom I've invested all this time, to be OK. I am not in the seat beacuse I want to see a bunch of mediocre been-there-done-that-seen-it-before CGI happen because a bunch of unimaginably powerful and distant people blast each other from a distance Dragon Ball-Z style with no emotional content whatsoever.

    Watching Wonder Woman, particularly the incredibly Snyder-esque final bits really drove home to me the difference between what I want out a superhero narrative, and what the DC house style thinks I want out of superhero narratives. Because I largely enjoyed the movie up until we got to that point, but the degree to which I checked out once people started throwing trucks at each other with impunity or wtfever? WHO CARES. Contrast that, for example, with the final fights in Avatar -- Zuko versus Azula, with the flames sweeping across the screen, or Azula versus Katara, or even Aang versus Ozai, which sometimes did back its way into Dragon Ball-Z riduclousness

    tl;dr: I found the end fight in Iron Man 1, with all of its cheese, to be infinitely more satisfying that watching two gods whale on each other and talk like freshman philosophy seminar.



  • The Age of Sail nerd in me was sHRIEKING about the idea of everybody going to sleep on the boat, especially when they knew the waters outside were being patrolled by hostile navy.


  • Others have pointed this out, but the big fight ending the war cuts the weight of Steve Trevor's entire thesis, which Diana grows to accept and is basically the emotional basis of the film.

  • The pedant in me was like DIANA HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU TAKE YOUR ISLAND'S MOST POWERFUL THINGS AND GO TO FIGHT ARES AND LEAVE YOUR PEOPLE, WHO ARE BASICALLY BOW-AND-ARROW BRONZE AGE TECH, WITH A FUCKING DESTROYER OFF THE PORT BOW. LIKE YOU FOUGHT OFF 30 DUDES IN LANDING BOATS, BUT WAIT TILL THOSE 18 INCH GUNS SHELL YOUR CUTE LITTLE TOWN INTO SUBMISSION THIS IS LIKE WHEN TANKS IN CIV ROLL UP TO A CITY DEFENDED BY, LIKE, 30 HOPLITE UNITS.

  • Not that the movie should have (or even could have) answered them, but I have some Questions about what Diana did during WWII. Because let me tell you, if she had issues with chemical weapons being used on a civilian populace in World War I???????????????????????????????????????????????? Like, it's almost the problem with setting her up as being so powerful, so capable of taking an entire trench full of soldiers out and ending WWI by herself, right? Particularly if you're ending the movie with her in modern-day France. Gee, I wonder what happened to Europe between 1918 and 2017??????


  • I loved the way that Chief was handled, but the contrast in his treatment and Sameer's jumped out at me. Like, as soon as Chief shows up on screen, the narrative is at pains to show you that this isn't just going to be another stereotype -- he speaks a bit of his specific language, and there is a scene where the emotional impact is why he's in France and his racial background. In contrast, Sameer gets introduced as a trickster and a conman, and you find out later about his dreams of being an actor that are blocked by racism, but that doesn't happen for a long time. And since he's the only major POC character for a long stretch of the movie, I kept being on tenterhooks, wondering if they were ever going to expand the steroetype of a Middle Eastern man as being shifty and lying and a trickster. BUT SURELY A MOVIE THAT SHOWS SIKH BUSINESSMEN IN THE BACKGROUND IN LONDON AND DIANA'S TUTOR AND GREAT TRAINING INSPIRATION BEING BLACK WOULDN'T DO THAT TO ME???? I kept telling myself. And it came, eventually, although I was ultimately kinda not satisfied with how much of Sameer's job in the movie appeared to be mugging and clowning for white people.

    Which, of course, isn't like THE WORST THING EVER. But contrast that with Captain America, when RIGHT THE FUCK AWAY, they take pains to let you know that the East Asian guy isn't going to speak in broken English, and where Morita's first words are hat-tip to people in the know that he is meant to be specifically Japanese-American and be at least a hat-tip to the historical reality of internment. Similarly, Gabe Jones is introduced right off the bat as being a college man studying foreign language. Those bits arguably don't fit smoothly into the emotional arc of the movie at that point, but they were important to me for a sign of OKAY SO THIS MOVIE ISN'T GOING TO BE SHITTY.


  • My bone-deep sigh, btw, about hairless armpit, makeup on the battlefield, even-my-fight-outfit-has-1.5-inch heels nonsense. Which is not to say, of course, that I disapprove of makeup. I wear it all the time! I wax my lip! I enjoy perfume and nail polish! But it was kinda sad to be reminded at each turn that's what global audiences need to see on any lady who appears onscreen.

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Date: 2017-06-07 01:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marmolita
WORST CASTING OF ARES EVER sorry there is no way I can take Remus Lupin seriously as the god of war, not gonna happen.

but on the other hand I LOVED ETTA SO MUCH. SO MUCH. I want ALL the precanon fic about Steve and Etta, and the post-canon fic about Diana and Etta. Also, I really appreciate that this movie is so much more female gaze than male gaze, even though the main character spends most of the movie in armor that's basically a swimsuit in terms of coverage. Like, when there was the scene of Diana walking in on Steve in the bath, and he gets up, I did not expect them to pull back to a wide angle of him completely naked. (I'm obviously very happy to see Chris Pine naked in literally any scenario so.)

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Date: 2017-06-28 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hauntedfalcon
O HAI I'M LOGGING INTO DREAMWIDTH FOR THE FIRST TIME IN SEVERAL AGES TO SECOND ALMOST ALL OF THIS POST

The wedge heels? Like? Were they even fucking serious? When they established in the Themiscyra scenes that most of the Amazons wore gladiator sandals? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Also do you wish David Thewlis had just stayed in the wool suit for the whole battle? Because I wish David Thewlis had just stayed in the wool suit for the whole battle. I would have taken him a *lot* more seriously.
Edited Date: 2017-06-28 06:03 pm (UTC)

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